[Qwalnee]

The http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com just noticed DT

http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Drowtales

Discussion on their forum here: http://badwebcomicswikiforum.yuku.com/topic/685/Drowtales?page=1

Brutal savaging of DT coming, and the not entirely negative conclusion is:

I think Drowtales has potential to be a great comic, but it is in dire need of pruning and restructuring. Even Tolkien, famous for taking his sweet time to tell his stories, had to cut lots of content from his book trilogy to keep the plot moving. And it's not just the plot, the setting needs an overhaul as well in order to make the Drow a little less aggravating in their sociopathy. Monetarily, I think they've come across a fairly successful scheme if they've been able to stay in the webcomics business this long without having to resort to e-begging on Patreon, but that's not a sign of quality, just of popularity. Some better character consistency and ensuring that Ariel's goals advance the plot would go a long way to keeping the story from becoming a victim of its own bloatedness.

If you find more DT reviews on the net, post them there

[Gunbird]

I think Drowtales has potential to be a great comic, but it is in dire need of pruning and restructuring.

Good luck for that to happen. Kern already tried to reconstruct some of the chapter and took a very long time. The comic is going to end soon anyway.

It properly better for him and his wife to make a new comic that doesn't have that many subplots in.

As for the reviews it seems like most of them are about the complaining about the old comic and that it's uses typical anime tropes and styling.

Edit: Why did you put this in the fanfic and art section?

[Qwalnee]

Good luck for that to happen. Kern already tried to reconstruct some of the chapter and took a very long time. The comic is going to end soon anyway.

The second arc since chapter 33 had 1200+ pages , not counting chibies and jokes and side stories. And the third arc is to be launched now. The end is not going to happen till the real world ends, or at least till the customers stop paying

Edit: Why did you put this in the fanfic and art section?

What subforum would be better?

[Gunbird]

I Think the Questions and world setting would be better.

And about some I saw something wrong with the review. The comic, both new and old id manga based. So I don't understand his argument there.

He dose seem to right about the plot problems tough and how overly complicated it is.

What is your 2 two cents of the the review?

[Qwalnee]

The second arc since chapter 33 had 1200+ pages , not counting chibies and jokes and side stories. And the third arc is to be launched now.

I just found that back in 2013, the third arc was promised for 2014.
http://www.drowtales.com/wordpress/?p=6200

And i realize i’ll probably be working on it for couple more years before it’s complete. 2014 will mark the end of arc 2.

This is what Kern means by "soon" ?

What is your 2 two cents of the the review?

The reviewer is right about too many characters
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters
too many unpronounceanble names with too many a'po'st'ro'phe's'
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamesToRunAwayFrom/UnpronouncableNames
too many complicated plots within plots and wheels within wheels.
It is hard for new reader to grasp what is going on.

The reviewer is right about the imposing infodump at the start - the comic shall start as story of Ariel and the infodump prologue shall be moved later, after chapter 4, so the new reader who persisted and was "caught" by the comics could learn about the background.

The reviewer is wrong about slavery - it is not extensive, at least in the underworld, the light elves are rare luxury goods for the elite. Unlike classic DnD Drow, Chel economy runs not on slave labor, but on starving commoner labor.

Humans are seen as inferior species, because this is what they are.
It is the canon that difference between Drow and human is like difference between human and monkey. The reviewer is right that Drow do not treat them as equal - if the Drow took humans seriously, the humans would be extinct long ago.

There is more, it is weird how long the reviewer dwells on one infamous long ago deleted page from chapter four, and it is funny how he admires Drowtales "media empire" , but this is all from me for now.

[Gunbird]

This is what Kern means by "soon" ?

Opss I ment 2018. Sorry for the typo.

The reviewer is right about the imposing infodump at the start - the comic shall start as story of Ariel and the infodump prologue shall be moved later, after chapter 4, so the new reader who persisted and was "caught" by the comics could learn about the background.

I really don't really have a good enough of opinion about that subject. I'll say didn't seem wrong to me when I start reading this comic. *shrug* I guess info dumbs don't bother me that much.

The reviewer is wrong about slavery - it is not extensive, at least in the underworld, the light elves are rare luxury goods for the elite. Unlike classic DnD Drow, Chel economy runs not on slave labor, but on starving commoner labor.

Yep, and he's wrong about the Golems too. The Beldrobbaen and the Balvhakara seem to be the only clans that use them frequently. The Siege and single unit golems piloted be living drow. They're not robots, the polite/s can get tried in them. ( The wiki dose need to be edited the info about them.)

Humans are seen as inferior species, because this is what they are.
It is the canon that difference between Drow and human is like difference between human and monkey. The reviewer is right that Drow do not treat them as equal - if the Drow took humans seriously, the humans would be extinct long ago.

I would ague that the non Fae have some over the drowned in the elves in general. First they don't need mana to live, so they can almost go anywhere for long periods of time away. They can reproduces faster and they have more numbers.

Kern said this about the over worlders. http://drowtales.tumblr.com/post/158942 ... an-goblins

The Hermionne seem vary successful taking a lot of land in just a span of 200 years. http://wiki.drowtales.com/index.php/Goblins#Hermionne


Unfortunately, due to timing and RL problems (Think Kite and Kern were trying to find another house while they were doing chapter 44) The Hermionne did not look as threatening as they should have been. It would've been better if they killed a few commoners before getting into a fight with the main characters. It would make them more intimidating.

I did herd Kern on one streams, that if he did the comic agin, he would not use human-like races as the above world acceptance.

There is more, it is weird how long the reviewer dwells on one infamous long ago deleted page from chapter four, and it is funny how he admires Drowtales "media empire" , but this is all from me for now.

Yeah that does seem to be a bit of overstatement. If you was part of "media empire" Karen would be driving a Mercedes instead Hyundai Elantra and living a more more luxurious home then the one there in.

And it does seem like Kern is not into that sort of thing anymore(it looks like he is into BDSM anymore to). I dose sound like this reviewer dose have a grudge against porn in general.

[Qwalnee]

If you love nerd rage, and i mean pure THERMONUCLEAR NERD RAGE


check https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Drowtales

The simplest way to describe what's wrong with Drowtales can be summarized as: Take Drizzt Syndrome, infect an entire planet's worth of elves with it and replace any self-awareness moments of characters with cognitive dissonance and pump up the Mary Sue with a side order of Edgy. Oh, and add in heaps of obnoxious T&A in the middle of all the wangst, and crank up the Grimdark up to eleven. So it's more Grimderp than Grimdark.

, and it goes on, and on, and on...

The talk page is even better, some people just have too much time on their hands

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Drowtales

[ThatGuyThisGuy]

If you love nerd rage, and i mean pure THERMONUCLEAR NERD RAGE


check https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Drowtales

The simplest way to describe what's wrong with Drowtales can be summarized as: Take Drizzt Syndrome, infect an entire planet's worth of elves with it and replace any self-awareness moments of characters with cognitive dissonance and pump up the Mary Sue with a side order of Edgy. Oh, and add in heaps of obnoxious T&A in the middle of all the wangst, and crank up the Grimdark up to eleven. So it's more Grimderp than Grimdark.

, and it goes on, and on, and on...

The talk page is even better, some people just have too much time on their hands

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Drowtales

Reading it they seem to think the Hermiones and the Halmes are the same people?

[Gunbird]

If you love nerd rage, and i mean pure THERMONUCLEAR NERD RAGE


check https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Drowtales

The simplest way to describe what's wrong with Drowtales can be summarized as: Take Drizzt Syndrome, infect an entire planet's worth of elves with it and replace any self-awareness moments of characters with cognitive dissonance and pump up the Mary Sue with a side order of Edgy. Oh, and add in heaps of obnoxious T&A in the middle of all the wangst, and crank up the Grimdark up to eleven. So it's more Grimderp than Grimdark.

, and it goes on, and on, and on...

The talk page is even better, some people just have too much time on their hands

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Drowtales

I don't even understand half of the stuff he was saying.

[Qwalnee]

I don't even understand half of the stuff he was saying.

You do not understand 4chan speak? Be thankful.

The shorter vershion of the review is:

Hello. I'm the dude that angrily wrote about Drowtales in Drow section ages ago. If you cringed at the page, here is a shorter review. It's like someone with the drawing skill and funds of Michelangelo drew Dickbutts in Sistine chapel, then drew the Judgement Day around it, and then pissed on the drawing and sprinkled purple skinned, pointy-eared and white haired Kaldor Draigos in it.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Kaldor_Draigo

[Gunbird]

I don't even understand half of the stuff he was saying.

You do not understand 4chan speak? Be thankful.

The shorter vershion of the review is:

Hello. I'm the dude that angrily wrote about Drowtales in Drow section ages ago. If you cringed at the page, here is a shorter review. It's like someone with the drawing skill and funds of Michelangelo drew Dickbutts in Sistine chapel, then drew the Judgement Day around it, and then pissed on the drawing and sprinkled purple skinned, pointy-eared and white haired Kaldor Draigos in it.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Kaldor_Draigo

I still don't get what he is saying. And I think you posted the wrong link.

[Qwalnee]

I still don't get what he is saying.

He is saying that he hates Drowtales, hates them so much he spent several days on the talk page talking how much he hates them.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Drowtales at 100k size now

And I think you posted the wrong link.

You not fan of WH40K? Kaldor Draigo is one of the most insufferable and most hated characters in WH40K universe.

[wolfdancer95]

holy fuck Newerfrag and saltyman are great. I regret leaving all my snacks at my aunts house because this is a riot.

[Obsidian Agent]

Holy shit. This honestly reminds me of some of the dumber people I've met in the seven years I've spent on Troll Kingdom - specifically, Blackfoot, and his unholy obsession with Jack and Conchaga. I mean, as disllusioned as I've become with DT (especially after I learned about some of the skeevier stuff Old DayDream had - this is one of the reasons why I haven't set up a DayDream account), even I wouldn't start something like this page. This whole thing again, reminds me of all the dumbasses with beefs against Jack (the TK member) who'd come to Troll Kingdom and end up getting sent to DayCare (the sub-forum where those who'd proven themselves to be morons were restricted to posting to) due to them displaying an incredible mix of obsession and butthurt (usually dealing with Jack, but sometimes Conchaga as well).

TL; DR version: This whole thing just REEKS of being written by the equivalent of one of TK's "Jack-Dancers".

[Gunbird]

Holy shit. This honestly reminds me of some of the dumber people I've met in the seven years I've spent on Troll Kingdom - specifically, Blackfoot, and his unholy obsession with Jack and Conchaga. I mean, as disllusioned as I've become with DT (especially after I learned about some of the skeevier stuff Old DayDream had - this is one of the reasons why I haven't set up a DayDream account), even I wouldn't start something like this page. This whole thing again, reminds me of all the dumbasses with beefs against Jack (the TK member) who'd come to Troll Kingdom and end up getting sent to DayCare (the sub-forum where those who'd proven themselves to be morons were restricted to posting to) due to them displaying an incredible mix of obsession and butthurt (usually dealing with Jack, but sometimes Conchaga as well).

TL; DR version: This whole thing just REEKS of being written by the equivalent of one of TK's "Jack-Dancers".

And I don't under stand what you are saying, Obs.

@Qwalnee: Oh and about the 40K link....I don't know much about 40K,nor really interested in it. Maybe its the armor or something.