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Re: Mel/Quai/Snad debate here.

Postby Shgon Dunstan » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:24 pm

Ardan Styyx wrote:Now, maybe she considered Ariel "lost" to Quain, or it was too late for both of them to recreate a mother-daughter bond, but I have to admit her not trying more to reach out with Ariel during all the years she was "free" was disapointing.

... How? Ariel was lost to Quain. Ariel was raised to be downright fanatically devoted to Quain. Quain could literally just walk into the room and randomly murder Mel right there in front of her, and Ariel would do her damnedest to mentally justify her doing it. She might or might not succeed at doing so, but she would certainly try with all her might.

If Mel says a word against Quain, Ariel would just emotionally withdraw from her, so... Exactly what does that even leave Mel to talk about? The weather? Snad? Pretty much any topic of Mel's life leads back to talking about Quain. Is she just supposed to pretend to be over it all, thereby pushing Ariel even more towards Quain? *hmmm*
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Re: Mel/Quai/Snad debate here.

Postby Ardan Styyx » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:51 pm

Shgon Dunstan wrote:... How? Ariel was lost to Quain. Ariel was raised to be downright fanatically devoted to Quain. Quain could literally just walk into the room and randomly murder Mel right there in front of her, and Ariel would do her damnedest to mentally justify her doing it. She might or might not succeed at doing so, but she would certainly try with all her might.

If Mel says a word against Quain, Ariel would just emotionally withdraw from her, so... Exactly what does that even leave Mel to talk about? The weather? Snad? Pretty much any topic of Mel's life leads back to talking about Quain. Is she just supposed to pretend to be over it all, thereby pushing Ariel even more towards Quain? *hmmm*


Let's not be too extreme there. Ariel, despite the undeniable influence Quain (and Kel) had on her is not the perfect brainwashed little drone one would think : http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=7897. And although very impressed by her grandmother and craving for her approval, she also showed on countless time that she was able to think by herself.
This episode http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=10133 happens rather late during their - lack of - mother-daughter relationship and is quite telling on how appart they've grown and how under Snad's spell Mel was.

However, during the time Mel was obediently carying "Quain's children" (my god, what a heartless monster this one could be... *upset* ), while being safely sheltered by Ash (http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=8410), she could have tried to link a little more with her daughter, the same way she did during their first real encounter (http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=5048) : smoothly, subtly, listening to her love instead of her (justified) hatred for Quain. Inviting her to have a talk sometimes, listening to her adventures, showing kindness and care... basicaly everything Quain was unable to do. And if it was impossible to see her, maybe write to her?
I mean, Ariel was enlisted yes, but she wasn't imprisonned, was she? Reaching out, at least a bit, couldn't have been THAT complicated or deadly. I think, it is more her stubborness and her profound hatred for Quain that prevented her to try more, rather than the threat of being punished or rejected : http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=8418

Anyway, her not trying more to link with her daughter is probably part of what allowed Ariel to become who she is now (and by the way, she is not forgetting Mel : http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=12174). And maybe if she had, Ariel would have been less determined to fight Snad.

But maybe, she could also have had another model to follow; and Mel could have been less entangled into Snad's influence.

Let's hope now that these two will be able to find themselves again. B)
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Re: Mel/Quai/Snad debate here.

Postby Moric » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:18 am

I expect Quain'tana to be as she was. There are very few revolutionaries that can manage to be selfless. That said, her burning desire for blood succession was no different than Suube's or Sang's. Snadhya was likely behind Leale's tainting, so as to force the situation with Mel. Likewise, she sent Mel back to her estranged mother, knowing full well what would transpire.

As for Mel, yes, I pity her, but only a little. Yes, the situation was grossly unfair, however, this didn't happen overnight. This discord has been building for centuries prior to her minimum security imprisonment (pre-Ariel). She rebelled, she provocated, she did everything she could to anger her mother, but never did she work to even make a fair attempt to train for a day that she could defeat her.

Then, having given birth, she dared not to assess her situation and place Ariel's good above her own. Just like mommy.

I like the Mel character, and perhaps that is why her being a spoiled brat bothers me so much. She could have been so much more than somebody else's play toy, but that is all she ever tried to be.
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