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Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

To battle effectively battle Drow humans would need...

Medieval Tech: Just Listen to Sun Tzu
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17%
18-19th century Tech: gunpowder weaponry > swords, magic, and golems
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WWI Tech: Just let lose the machine guns and watch the bodies pail up.
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WWII Tech: Death from above can be a frightening thing...
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16%
Modern Day Tech: one nuke is all it takes
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16%
 
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:25 pm

Gunbird wrote:I know this a little off topic. But how much(or how little) damage a 5.56 round coming out of a 14.5 inch(370mm) barrel will do to a canon sized drow?


Depends on where it Hits, How it Hits, And what kind of Bullet is hitting. All of those factors matter allot for its lethality against humans so it would probably apply more so for the Drow. Firstly if its a vital organ the Drow most assuredly is going to be seriously fucked up. Now if hits something non vital its just going to punch a small hole which would probably be fatal if they bleed enough but such a wound wouldn't be to hard to seal, However there is the potential for the the Round to Tumble increasing its chances of hitting something vital and it makes a much bigger hole that will bleed fast and will be hard to close. Range and bullet type affect the likelihood of the bullet tumbling allot. It is well known that armor piercing bullets when used against unarmored targets go straight through and unless it hits something vital it leaves only small holes that take sometime to kill and can be treated fairly easily and sometimes regular ball ammunition does this when it hits a thin person at close range. However Drow should have comparatively thick bodies, meaning the bullet has more opportunity to tumble so it could be somewhat more lethal against them I suppose.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Eltharrion » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:23 am

ThatGuyThisGuy wrote:However Drow should have thick bodies meaning the bullet has more opportunity to tumble so it could be somewhat more lethal against them I suppose.

At same time though, we have to remember that drow have a lot less body fat than human, and while it may not look like much, that stuff is really good at slowing bullets down. Not stop them, but slow.
And what is a major factor in a round tumbling and ricocheting all around body? Its speed. And no, I am not going to make a joke of how female drows have a lot of fat on chest...
Also, drow bodies tend to be toward more thin build compared to size, so if we take a bulky human with wide shoulders and strong abdomen, their body thickness wouldn't probably be that far away from standard drow. And in this time of DT:MA, what kind of humans are most common as soldiers? The big, bulky types.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:22 pm

Eltharrion wrote:
ThatGuyThisGuy wrote:However Drow should have thick bodies meaning the bullet has more opportunity to tumble so it could be somewhat more lethal against them I suppose.

At same time though, we have to remember that drow have a lot less body fat than human, and while it may not look like much, that stuff is really good at slowing bullets down. Not stop them, but slow.
And what is a major factor in a round tumbling and ricocheting all around body? Its speed. And no, I am not going to make a joke of how female drows have a lot of fat on chest...
Also, drow bodies tend to be toward more thin build compared to size, so if we take a bulky human with wide shoulders and strong abdomen, their body thickness wouldn't probably be that far away from standard drow. And in this time of DT:MA, what kind of humans are most common as soldiers? The big, bulky types.


Why I am saying that it may be somewhat more lethal against them is because the bullet going straight through has been a commonly reported occurrence in most wars the US has fought, however the people the US has fought tend to be rather Small and skinny the kind of people who don't have much to slow a bullet down and any significant increase in mass over that standard would probably lead to increased instances of Tumbling.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Gunbird » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:48 am

Good points Eltharrion and TG.

I was asking that question because I don't want the players (human) to be overpowered in my RP. Any ideas?
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:21 am

Gunbird wrote:Good points Eltharrion and TG.

I was asking that question because I don't want the players (human) to be overpowered in my RP. Any ideas?


You could have it so that by and large Drow armor needs Dedicated armor piercing rounds to go through(You can have regular Ball or green tip pierce armor if they hit thinner areas at a good angle or they only can pierce the armor if they hit at close range). So you can have it be that regular rounds are largely ineffective against an armored drow but using armor Piercing Rounds against an unarmored Drow is to ineffective for its cost as unless the round hits something vital they will just go straight through and only leave a fairly easy to treat small hole that isn't that incapacitating and takes a long time to kill and also for the cost armor piercing rounds are far more expensive then Ball ammo and so they should have a very limited supply of them and blowing a large amount of them on a single target can really fuck the player over later. So you can have it that they have to alternate between armor piercing and ball ammunition at all times so that they don't blow all their armor piercing rounds and be left in a bad situation later if they go up against armored drow. You can also have the effectiveness of Drow armor vary considerably based on its quality so you can have low quality armor be largely ineffective and only able to stop regular ammo at long ranges and have heavy High quality armor only able to be pierced by Armor piercing rounds.

Also small arms such as assault rifles usually account for a small amount of deaths in most fire fights thing like Grenades, machine Guns, And artillery/Airstrikes tend to account for more deaths, so you can have it be that Drow armor can protect against light shrapnel from grenades or small mortar, cannon, and Rocket explosive shells(Shrapnel from larger Devices however can only be stopped if they fly a very long range from the original explosion.), nullifying a fair portion of their effect as most high explosive rounds primarily rely on shrapnel to kill, the blast is definitely a very deadly considerable effect but Shrapnel has far better effect over a larger area.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Gunbird » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:45 pm

Here's another question.

What would you think happened if raw manna missile hit someone wearing modern body armor?
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Disestablish » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:52 pm

Gunbird wrote:Here's another question.

What would you think happened if raw manna missile hit someone wearing modern body armor?

Death. Mana missiles have been shown to burn people hit by them, unless they can overload them with their own mana and stop it. Humans lack any such defense so that mana will melt right through their armour and sear them into ash with ease. Would be like throwing napalm on someone.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:47 am

Disestablish wrote:
Gunbird wrote:Here's another question.

What would you think happened if raw manna missile hit someone wearing modern body armor?

Death. Mana missiles have been shown to burn people hit by them, unless they can overload them with their own mana and stop it. Humans lack any such defense so that mana will melt right through their armour and sear them into ash with ease. Would be like throwing napalm on someone.


I call bullshit mainly in that it depends entirely on what kind of armor we are talking about about. Just Kevlar or other such plastic stuff probably won't do much against a well charged Mana bolt from a strong Caster but Ceramics should be quite sufficient in protecting against such attacks as they have extremely high melting points and are quite durable in fact a good real world comparison for Raw mana attacks Shaped chargeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge are noted for having far more trouble penetrating ceramic armor then high quality Steel(It also should be noted here is that shaped charges are known for having obsoleted steel armor for vehicles while the mana cannons in common use throughout the underworld are noted for being less effective against steel armored golems then blackpowder cannons firing roundshot.). A mana bolt hitting the center of a ceramic plate would likely cause some pain to the person the plate is protecting but it would be nowhere near lethal and would be pretty far from incapacitating to a physically fit and strong willed person such as a SEAL.

It should also be noted in that mana bolts are somewhat more lethal against Fae compared to non fae as they can disrupt their auras, and also disrupting mana use such as mana bolts is a mostly conscious action that needs training to be preformed except if the person possesses a rare high sorcery. And I think its relatively uncommon for a non mana specialist Drow to be capable of firing a mana bolt that can reliably kill(In this case this means that it kills a person more then 50% percent of the time if it hims them dead on in the sternum.) an unarmored person at a intermediate range(Past 30 meters or so.).
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Gunbird » Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:26 pm

Sorry I should've been more pacific about the question. I was asking about how much Personal body armor( vest, helmets etc.) would withstand against a raw mana.

I haven't seen anybody's skin turned to ash after getting hit by mana bolt. Nor do I think that they're anything like shaped charges. I thought I would view the bolts as a sort of energy weapon. It wouldn't destroy the armor but it would burn the flesh and organs under it.

I made a sean in my RP where a soldier is where such armor and yet he didn't survive the attack.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Junglefowl26 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:36 pm

Actually, In the castle raid we see bronze shields deflect mana bolts rather easily.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Gunbird » Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:09 pm

Junglefowl26 wrote:Actually, In the castle raid we see bronze shields deflect mana bolts rather easily.


What page?
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:36 am

Gunbird wrote: I haven't seen anybody's skin turned to ash after getting hit by mana bolt. Nor do I think that they're anything like shaped charges. I thought I would view the bolts as a sort of energy weapon. It wouldn't destroy the armor but it would burn the flesh and organs under it.


Well I should say more clearly that shaped charges are the best comparison we have with real world weaponry. That is what I was going at when I said " A mana bolt hitting the center of a ceramic plate would likely cause some pain to the person the plate is protecting but it would be nowhere near lethal and would be pretty far from incapacitating to a physically fit and strong willed person such as a SEAL." The Bolt would hurt but the plate would stop it from being lethal by dispersing the energy.

Gunbird wrote:
Junglefowl26 wrote:Actually, In the castle raid we see bronze shields deflect mana bolts rather easily.


What page?


I think he is referring to this page http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=6573where the smaller bolt barely singes the soldier's shield but I think that bolt was mainly a diversion for him to Lower his shield so Ariel could hit him in the face with the larger bolt. All though he was still alive(But probably not for much longer even if Shan hadn't slit his throat.) after the larger bolt hit him dead on in the face.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Gunbird » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:28 pm

Here is another question.

What would it take to for a bunch of drow to take out a tank?
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby ThatGuyThisGuy » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:48 am

Depends if we assume something like an Abrams tank or any other modern MBT it would likely take a powerful mana artist. I don't think the Drow have any weapons besides the super ancient airship mana cannons or magical attacks from an ancient elf that can pierce the main armor on a tank so the best they can hope to do in near all cases is to bombard the tanks with attacks to hopefully knock out things like radios, sensor equipment, optics, external machine guns, and maybe the the more powerful mana cannons can hope to take out the engine if they get a shot to the rear cooling ports.

But what I imagine would stand the most chance of working is using some kind of sorcery against it. Now earth sorcery is probably mostly going to have to rely on manipulating the environment around the tanks to draw them into dangerous obstacles to take them out, as I don't imagine any but the strongest and most skilled earth sorcerers or a sizable team of exceptionally powerful sorcerers operating in a Mana rich environment being able to do something like flip or bury an active tank. The other counter I can imagine is using metal sorcery to damage any exposed metal parts like for example the tracks(Most modern tank armors are composed of ceramic or made of extremely exotic metals like uranium or tungsten so I imagine trying to do anything but a precise attack would be ineffective.). Though in both these cases the Mana artists will have to get up close to the tank to take it out, and even discounting the tanks objections to that it is a common practice to support tanks with infantry or other armored vehicles more suited for taking on infantry swarms to prevent them from being swarmed by enemy infantry.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby TheRedSir » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:45 am

Humans win because we're real. Like to see those arrogant Elves get us while trapped in comic panels; muhahahaha! :V
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