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Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

To battle effectively battle Drow humans would need...

Medieval Tech: Just Listen to Sun Tzu
13
17%
18-19th century Tech: gunpowder weaponry > swords, magic, and golems
16
21%
WWI Tech: Just let lose the machine guns and watch the bodies pail up.
24
31%
WWII Tech: Death from above can be a frightening thing...
12
16%
Modern Day Tech: one nuke is all it takes
12
16%
 
Total votes : 77

Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby JohnGB0083 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:51 pm

Humans fear, what they don’t understand, and what they fear they often seek to destroy. In the world of Drowtales Humans see Drow as Devils, but we as readers know better. However, for this thread try to take of the viewpoint of a human in the drows' world, particularly a human slave, in drow society. What would you learn while living amongst a race you that for many years believed were devils or demons?

For starters, you would learn the drow’s language, and that alone opens up many avenues for further learning. You would learn, from observation and fellow slaves, especially if some of those slaves are elves that the drow are not “Devils” as you once to believed. You would learn not only what is different between the two races, but also what is similar. You may learn how magic works, both its strengths and limits. Most important of all, you would lean is that drow can bleed, and that common weaponry: swords, axes, spears, etc, can start the bleed. That which can make you to bleed can also kill.

Such knowledge would go a long way to dispelling any remaining notions that drow are some form a mystical race of demons or gods you may have. As by most human standards, the laws of the world do not apply to Gods. While the drow’s magic allows them to bend the rules, they're still bound by many, if not all, of the same laws of nature that humans are. Therefore, the Drow are neither demons nor Gods, but mortal creatures, mortal creatures that just happen to live almost as long as a tree and can use magic, but mortals all the same.

Having come to that revelation you may start to see the Drow in a different light; not as invincible “devils,” but more along the lines as another form of human. The Drow raiders who attacked your village go from a band of horrible black demons to a band of excellently equipped bandits with the ability to use magic. Looking at the Elves from this angle now requires much deeper thought than when you saw them as some race of demi-gods. On the surface what makes the drow superior to humans would be one thing, magic. However, magic, as you learned, has its limits and doesn’t always need to be countered with more magic. Other than magic, what would also make them superior is their equipment. The defenders of your village used mostly spears, with only a few having swords, to fight the Drow raiders. They also had no armor strong than that of weak leather or animal hide. The Drow on the other had had metal armor and weapons, giving them the advantage of better technology along with their magic. If that is the case, why can’t human create the same technology? If humans had the same level of technology as the drow or better, could they match their strength?

Which brings us to question in the poll, if the only thing that marks the drow, and other elves, superiority over humans is magic and superior medieval technology, what minimum equivalent level of technology, would humans of DT need to acquire to match their elven Counterparts, on a military level? Try to keep things clean and in within the world of Drowtales, and on topic.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Max_black0 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:49 pm

I'd vote for "Miracle" but thats not an option.
EDIT:Also threads like this always seem to become agruments.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Harbinger of Cookies » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:59 am

Basically, it's a question of numbers X force multipliers. Goblins have numbers anyway. Throw in any technology which can counter magic at least somewhat, and it's a done deal. Of course it depends a lot on mana shield's ability to stop a volley of sub- or supersonic bullets, but since bows are useful, so would bullets... Not sure if muzzle loading guns would be enough, but breech loading (basically 19th century gun tech) would certainly be enough to make it a numbers game, meaning goblins win.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Smokehammer » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:02 am

I dunno I see mana tech as a form of chemistry -the less dependent goblins are on it the better then. So I'd go with sword, board and massive horde. Guns are too easy for the drow to turn against their users once they understand the mechanisms behind gun powder.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Junglefowl26 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:14 am

^We'll choke their rivers with our dead!

Anyway, we've done this thread before....just remember that mana can be a weakness as well as a strength and find a way to turn it against them.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Raziel » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:41 pm

Death from above baby! After all none of the clans have any air forces(At least not yet.), so none of them would have any defenses ageist an air force or from weapons that they can't see coming. ^^
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Lady Se'rune » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:57 am

Raziel wrote:Death from above baby! After all none of the clans have any air forces(At least not yet.), so none of them would have any defenses ageist an air force or from weapons that they can't see coming. ^^


you must have missed that whole page with the flying summons the sharen have then :P
plus lets face it Halms are doomed the Drow have the greatest warmonger and judging by how easily the raiders got into and out of that castle :P one would assume that Quin'tana with her Actually Army would stream roll over Halm kind
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Raziel » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:13 am

Lady Se'rune wrote:
Raziel wrote:Death from above baby! After all none of the clans have any air forces(At least not yet.), so none of them would have any defenses ageist an air force or from weapons that they can't see coming. ^^


you must have missed that whole page with the flying summons the sharen have then :P
plus lets face it Halms are doomed the Drow have the greatest warmonger and judging by how easily the raiders got into and out of that castle :P one would assume that Quin'tana with her Actually Army would stream roll over Halm kind

Summons got nothing on a bomber that can deliver death from over 1000 feet in the air to unsuspecting drow on the ground, nor can they move as effectively ageist fierce fighter planes. :P
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Junglefowl26 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:14 am

Bronze age humans are remarkably short on fighter planes.

There might be flying animals to use though.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Max_black0 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:17 am

Lady Se'rune wrote:
Raziel wrote:Death from above baby! After all none of the clans have any air forces(At least not yet.), so none of them would have any defenses ageist an air force or from weapons that they can't see coming. ^^


you must have missed that whole page with the flying summons the sharen have then :P


I missed that page too, Could you link to it?
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Max_black0 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:03 am

Asclepion wrote:You faggots just don't understand, do you? Elves are superior in every single way, so that teenagers in an enemy city with no plan, no information gathering or scouting at all, and dragged down by noncombatants will nonetheless cut through a fortress with no casualties and no consequences for their stupidity. All the humans will simply stare ahead or die off screen.

Spear- LOLMAGIC, machine gun nest- LOLMAGIC, Anthrax- LOLIDON'TGETSICK, Flamethrower- LOLICONTROLFIRE

WTF are you even doing this? It's sickening.


This. The comic is about drow, nothing short of a miracle will allow humans to win.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Pariel » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:09 am

Sigh. Not this again. Look pal, the only things you'll possibly get from trolling this thread is a) getting your posts deleted and b) a nicely homemade carpal tunnel syndrome. So why don't you go and go play some other thing? You are wasting server space.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Pariel » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:20 am

Your assumptions about the sexual orientation of all members of the board, which are both incorrect and tasteless, for starters.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby minalia » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:24 am

We, players of ptp and ptp2 know for a fact that mana shields is not the ultimate defense against every type of attack.

Many type of natural attacks can null a mana shield in seconds and not every drow will be a trained mana specialist.
Drows may be immured to natural diseases but i can assure you that they will not be immune to parasitical diseases or spore diseases like Anthrax it will kill them just it could kill humans. The players of clan tekaliath experienced against those type of things and we found ways to beat mana shields users that does not require overpowering methods.

As for the modern age setting, human wins by default not because they got vast armies and weapons of mass destruction. They win simply by selling large amounts of cheap chocolates to the drows to turn them from a rabid warlike race to a very stoned out bunch of addicted junkies in need of a quick fix of chocolate mixed with caramel and nuts sweetness.
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Re: Drowtales world Elves vs. Humans with...

Postby Shoedrinker » Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:26 am

Asclepion wrote:You think I'm trolling? What have I said that isn't true?


It is not so much what you are saying, but how you chose to word it, honestly. :(
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