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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Whizzard on Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:58 am

Yes, it sounds just crazy enough to not work. While panties might not have caused this, they certainly attributed to causing the whole thing. Adding more panty throwing to the situation is probably like adding firefood to a fire that is already threatening to spread to the ceiling.

Also, while humorous, that's probably not the kind of impression we want to leave to our hosts.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby James Rye on Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:54 am

Leave it to the Warriors to fuck up a situation. XD
Really, just letting that ONE guy in with a couple of us warriors as escort wouldn't have been a bad move, now we got half a dozen of them being all ready to fight and the elders got told that we're uncooperative/hiding something from them. 5 Bucks we get Anji killed in the next 6 pages. XD
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Dalvyserran on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:21 pm

We have nothing to hide from their security inspection. We have nothing for them to take, too, so I don't know why you paranoid folks think it was a good idea to resist. Now it's a matter of trying to explain everything down. In case you didn't realize, we're trying to get in good standing with our hosts because we invaded their territory on a mystery craft they haven't seen in 1100 years. Acting tough in their territory & under their house rules is not a smart option to take.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby goblin6 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:00 pm

No matter the culture, barging into secured areas without permission or even a heads up beforehand is consider rude. Anjhi gave no order to allow the dragons to wander into our interior and we receive no word of an inspection ahead of time. If there was an inspection, it would've been a formal one consisting of a special VIP and a handful of bodyguards, not some lone random grunt.

The last two panels from last week's LA clearly shows the dragon soldier initiated the conflict, attempted intrusion into the ship's interior, bump into one of our guards, not the other way around. Though I admit we responded harsher then we should. We posted guards in and around the ship for a reason, and it's not to be a punching bag or a door mat for whoever thinks they can waltz around like they own the place. We can still resolve this peacefully, but just in case the worst scenario happens, I'm having a crew stationed at the ship's bridge in case we need to prep and take off. I don't mean turn on the ship's engine this instant, just have a crew on the bridge waiting to turn on the engine when/if given the word.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby James Rye on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:20 am

Dude, we would have done the very same if an hugeass ship with hundreds of to the teeth armed dragons enters our only city and we can barely understand them but they all act tough and threatening (like we just did). just like the dragon we would assume the worst and fear that in the stomach of said ship hundreds of warriros wait for the signal to storm out and kill everybody, our friends, our children, our families, etc.
Which btw is actually true in this case as we did made everyone inside the ship get armed. So we do have a ship full of armed people which in their eyes could all be cold-blooded murderer for all they know.^^;

It would have been much smarter to let that one guy go in and escort him with two of us, then he would have gotten his will and we would have kept control of him. Besides it doesn't look like they know any golem technology safe any golem technology to make such ships and they can fly on their own faster and mroe nimble than we can - in other words the ship doesn't hold as much value to them as to us.

Now we have a couple of them to deal with who are all ready to fight cause they believe they are surrounded by us and we have all our weapons drawn ready for blood. Which will gets spilled pretty quickly without a proper defusion.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Timotheus on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:27 am

Okay, how's this. We'll send Winslow in to stop the situation from escalating. (I'll have the coloring done tomorrow unless I give in and decide to put him in an aviators jacket.)

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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Avalon on Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:45 am

Timotheus wrote:Okay, how's this. We'll send Winslow in to stop the situation from escalating.


Winslow, you say?
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Timotheus on Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:08 pm

How the mighty have fallen.

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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby James Rye on Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:28 pm

This update makes lots of sense. And they call themselves Vahess.
The most important thing though is that they call the ferals "pests". And it makes lots of sense that they do so. They live in the sky on an island with limited land to breed chicken and other meat ressources on or to plant fields to feed their people. Another race, espically a fast-breeding one like the ferals, would eat away all the chicken and other food ressources without a care while the dragons starve with lesser food-income.

The Vahess elder's declaration makes sense. If such a huge ship with hundreds of dragon warriors lands right into our one and only city we would want to see what's inside first to see if we can trust them or if they are just waiting to kill us in our sleep and enslave/eat the rest of us. Funnily this actually shows that they fear us and wants something they can build trust on us to be sure that we are no raiders or slavers. They have lived in isolation for a long time nad the last time they saw someone similar to our kind, said kind ended the world below in a war with demons and genocides and shit. I bet they also have scary stories about people below in the mist just like the humans do.^^

I would suggest three things for the LA/EA:

1.) We accept the now by the elder questioned insight of our ship so that no fight will break out. We profit from a trade agreement, a possibly new airborn ally and ofc to get access to their airshipport than from keeping our ships intern a secret. I mean, guys:
We ourselves don't even know everything about this ship or why it works in all ways. How should dragons who haven't used airship for many hundred years nor seen any for the same time period be able to copy what even we can't fully understand. XD
Possible advise:
"Elder + 1 soldier can enter and look through the ship with Anji as guide." - 73 letters, can be changed ofc. Another advise would be that two of our warriors escort Anji and the two dragons.
2.) We should use this chance to ask what the dragons know about our "home" = our airship. Do they have legends of them or maybe even scrolls/books which speak about those ships? That one would be a HUGE help if they got such stuff cause then we could STUDY them to gain more knowledge (which they seem to hold in high regards) AND understand our own ship better/get more insight in how to build such ships to become a better airship builder clan in the future!
Possible advise:
"What do you know about our ship?Do you have scrolls/books telling about it?" - exactly 75 letters and I really like the wording, straight to the point, we can find out if it was a fault to show them the interns aka they know a lot and now see a life example or if they dont know alot and thus our secrets (which we don't know anyway) are safe. Also this way we find out if they do have scroll and books for Min and co to study. <3
3.) IS actually a two advise/action stuff. The action in the EA should be to gather all ferals in one room so that none is runnign around freely and thus meets an angry dragon who might kill the "pest" on sight. It's to ensure the dragons that we dont mean them anything evil. After all, rats were a big reason why the indians got big troubles when the europeans meet them and left them.
The LA advise should be about Anji a) asking why the ferals are pests to them and b) ensure them they mean no trouble AND are our allies!
Possible LA advise:
"Why do you call our feral allies "pests"? They're annoying, but no trouble." - 75 letters, I love it, mostly cause of teh annoying~ "hehehe"

Well, that´s it. I would also do a couple actions in which we appear nice and harmless inside our ship, just your average crew working on the ship, no huge secret army trying to takeover your home, but strong enough to defend the ship if you try anything funny.^^
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand ofc show the elder and its soldier our stuff we can trade with them! This is a great chance, for one we can avert their attention away from the ship to our goods, get a good reason besides knowledge seeking why we travel and we can see what they could want from us.
For example, the dragon soldiers seemed to have no idea what the stuff in our bottle was. it could be that they never had alcohol due the limited space on their island. Everything was used to produce food and alcohol is too much of a food waste/luxury to do so and thus they forgot how to make alcohol/wine on their own.

What are your thoughts to those ideas? You can take them or change them as you like as I got no account to post them myself. :)
And many thanks Wei for posting that sheat weapon advice. With no weapons pointing at them, they had lesser reason to attack us to get insight of the ship as they fear we hide dangerous stuff to them there. :3

Edit:
For 1.) I might change the adivce to this:
"Elder+1 soldier can enter+look through the ship.Anji+2 Warriors are guides." - 75 letters, more explicit stated who enters with who and shows that we accept their request. And I'm glad to see that in the comment box so far most are for it to let them see the insides of our ship.

OH, and we should make sure to visit the med bay!!!
So that we can show him the wounded Dycle and ask why the soldier reacted so harshly. This way we can find out more about them and their aura/magical abilities!
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Durlyn Val'Sarghress on Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:54 pm

Elder+1 soldier can enter+look through the ship.Anji+2 Warriors are guides



That seems like a good option wording
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby James Rye on Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:00 pm

Durlyn Val'Sarghress wrote:
Elder+1 soldier can enter+look through the ship.Anji+2 Warriors are guides



That seems like a good option wording


Thanks, Dur. :)
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If Daven makes right of his promise to give me that third membership spot he got to me, I either gonna advise
"What do you know about our ship?Do you have scrolls/books telling about it?"
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"Why do you call our feral allies "pests"? They're annoying, but no trouble.". <3
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby goblin6 on Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:11 pm

They view ferals as pest the same reason why drows view ferals, humans and any other non fae species as pest. They both view themselves as superior species.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby James Rye on Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:41 pm

goblin6 wrote:They view ferals as pest the same reason why drows view ferals, humans and any other non fae species as pest. They both view themselves as superior species.


I still think it's more cause of the few space they have up there, there's simply no place for another race to house plus the ferals could eat away their favorite food which we saw when spying on them: Chicken. XD
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby Dalvyserran on Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:08 am

How fucking ironic that today's update is an exact copy of what I've been saying since this began.

But nah leys keep acting tough and making our captors even more suspicious of us. This wouldn't have happened if people's pride hadn't gotten in the way. First the dragons send one guy, next they send a company, now they guarantee bloodshed if you don't let them inspect the ship for shit that could hurt them.

How hard is it to say yes the first time? We to not have anything of value for them to take... If for some unfathomable reason you guys think we do, please share.
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Re: Dragon diplomacy.

Postby minalia on Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:22 am

Kinda why i did not wanted to even act. This was to damn easy to spot early on. Pride is a dangerous game, specially when you in someone's turf that is far..far more advanced then you and got over a thousand years worth of firepower at their disposal.

honestly im getting tired of this pointless grin at the other and try and look all tough and macho. I am gonna go and read some dragon books in a public library full of old dusty tomes. Love to have some scholars to tag along. Just sitting at a table with a few dozen books trying to understand should be more fun then this pointless pissing contest.

You want to end this game. go ahead and freaking piss them off already. I for one will do exactly what i was meant to do. Gather knowledge that might be of some use to us later on.

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