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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby Ash'arion on Sat May 11, 2013 6:15 am

Sonor Val'Illhar'dro wrote:
goblin6 wrote:Plus we're likely to leave in the next turn, and interrogation usually takes a few turns to break the prisoner into divulging information. And no, we're not bringing the prisoner with us just so we can get info out of her, security risk and all that.


Then chop off her limbs and cauterize the wounds. There, risk averted.


You're a horrible person. She's already given all the relevant information we have. Anything we ask her for beyond this point will be for purely personal entertainment.


@Tim: If you're wondering whether we can put it on the ship at all, that question's been answered in the LA comic. If you want to know whether or not we can mount it, that's another matter entirely, and my money's on 'No'. We already had plans for a 'heavy' mounted ballista that I imagine wouldn't have been much more than 1.5-3 times the size of the four smaller ones we currently have mounts for, 2 of which are in use. That one was already commented on as having been a threat to the ship's balance, and it's not the size of a handful of houses.

If anything, it will only be deployed in situations where we're planning to carry out a siege from our airship, which should be extremely few and far between, but will be happening at least once in the near future else Anjhali wouldn't have suggested bringing it at all. Within those instances, we will have to land the airship long enough to wheel (or walk, if Min has her way) the damn thing out of the airship and into a position where we can shoot at somebody's walls with it. Outside of those specific instances, it will just be dead weight and space taken with a lot of potential that will scarcely be put to use, like a modern stealth bomber.

Relying on the scale presented by the picture where it's shown being loaded onto the airship (assuming the taller people-blurs are women and therefore ~8 feet tall, which is convenient, as they're also 8 pixels tall), its 'footprint' will likely be a circle roughly 60-64 feet in diameter, judging by an apparent 54' length (this is actually kind of hard to judge due to the angle the ballista is viewed from) and allowing 3-5 feet on all sides for people to move around it. Its needed space will be a cylinder at least 20 feet tall (this is still relying on the pixel=foot scale and adding space), possibly more depending on its elevation angle limit. Those are absolute minimums, not even accounting for having to move around the arms of the bow. There is no way in hell we're operating this on our airship. By itself, it probably takes up at least half if not the majority of our available cargo space, so it had damn well better be absolutely priceless in the situations we decide to use it.

FYI: That cylinder's total volume would be over 56,500 cubic feet. That's three times the size of a square building 30 feet to a side and 2 stories high.
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby laserkid on Sat May 11, 2013 6:59 am

heh, Looks like we have a griffin hunting gun. Anyone want to see whats in the mage's tower back home?
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby Ash'arion on Sat May 11, 2013 7:56 am

laserkid wrote:heh, Looks like we have a griffin hunting gun. Anyone want to see whats in the mage's tower back home?


Dycle, this ballista shoots trees. Not as targets. As ammunition. It can't be aimed fast enough to track our airship, which is huge. And the bolt heads would have to be heavy enough to maintain a stable flight path. So each one is probably enough steel to be worth several complete suits of plate armor. And would have to be fletched with feathers from Flying Terrors. And each shot would be fired with so much force the bolts would shatter on impact, thus wasting all of their components save for the feathers. It's a logistical nightmare.
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby The_Blank on Sat May 11, 2013 11:09 pm

Ash'arion wrote:
Sonor Val'Illhar'dro wrote:
goblin6 wrote:Plus we're likely to leave in the next turn, and interrogation usually takes a few turns to break the prisoner into divulging information. And no, we're not bringing the prisoner with us just so we can get info out of her, security risk and all that.


Then chop off her limbs and cauterize the wounds. There, risk averted.


You're a horrible person. She's already given all the relevant information we have. Anything we ask her for beyond this point will be for purely personal entertainment.


@Tim: If you're wondering whether we can put it on the ship at all, that question's been answered in the LA comic. If you want to know whether or not we can mount it, that's another matter entirely, and my money's on 'No'. We already had plans for a 'heavy' mounted ballista that I imagine wouldn't have been much more than 1.5-3 times the size of the four smaller ones we currently have mounts for, 2 of which are in use. That one was already commented on as having been a threat to the ship's balance, and it's not the size of a handful of houses.

If anything, it will only be deployed in situations where we're planning to carry out a siege from our airship, which should be extremely few and far between, but will be happening at least once in the near future else Anjhali wouldn't have suggested bringing it at all. Within those instances, we will have to land the airship long enough to wheel (or walk, if Min has her way) the damn thing out of the airship and into a position where we can shoot at somebody's walls with it. Outside of those specific instances, it will just be dead weight and space taken with a lot of potential that will scarcely be put to use, like a modern stealth bomber.

Relying on the scale presented by the picture where it's shown being loaded onto the airship (assuming the taller people-blurs are women and therefore ~8 feet tall, which is convenient, as they're also 8 pixels tall), its 'footprint' will likely be a circle roughly 60-64 feet in diameter, judging by an apparent 54' length (this is actually kind of hard to judge due to the angle the ballista is viewed from) and allowing 3-5 feet on all sides for people to move around it. Its needed space will be a cylinder at least 20 feet tall (this is still relying on the pixel=foot scale and adding space), possibly more depending on its elevation angle limit. Those are absolute minimums, not even accounting for having to move around the arms of the bow. There is no way in hell we're operating this on our airship. By itself, it probably takes up at least half if not the majority of our available cargo space, so it had damn well better be absolutely priceless in the situations we decide to use it.

FYI: That cylinder's total volume would be over 56,500 cubic feet. That's three times the size of a square building 30 feet to a side and 2 stories high.



actually if it's like the siege weapons from RL it can be disassembled and stored so it won't take up that much space, this was common because some siege weapons were too big to move
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby Ash'arion on Sun May 12, 2013 12:36 am

The dimensions listed were for its operational space. I agree its storage space can be a few feet smaller on all sides because one doesn't have to allow room for people moving around the thing, and yes collapsing and/or on-the-spot disassembly/reassembly is an option, but it's not going to have any less mass, which is still an issue. Granted, there are cargo jets and ships that carry modern artillery around, but they also were built to do so, serve almost no other purpose, and despite their size are only crewed by maybe 10 people. Not to mention they're slow as hell in movement and are the biggest, easiest targets in the air or on the water; and are generally escorted by gunships in times of war, something we lack.

Keep in mind that while naturally smaller in other aspects, the ammunition for string-driven weapons has to be longer than the maximum point the string can be drawn back on the weapon. With a 54 foot-long ballista, that's looking at shafts hovering around 50 feet long. Assuming shafts with just that length, only a 2 foot diameter, and fairly light wood, (compared to light-medium Balsa wood, approx 10 lbs per cubic foot) each bolt probably weighs at least 1500 lbs, not counting the head which has to be heavy enough to ensure it hits the target first.

Granted the bolts can be stacked and wouldn't take up much more space than anything 50 feet long by 2 feet wide (or whatever their true diameter turns out to be. I picked 2 feet because that's strong enough for fencing and bolts that shatter easily would be counter-productive) would, but I don't see us carrying very many of them. I'm sure even an airship held aloft by magic has its limitations.
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby minalia on Sun May 12, 2013 2:06 am

We now have the weapon on board and it will become a necessarily piece of artillery support when we are forced to take on a castle fortification in the following missions should we feel the need to assault such a hard target due to story reasons. Be it to rescue someone from our clan that has been kidnapped or to just teach a lesson to a would be despot that we are not to be trifled with.

If given time and resources i could easily rebuild the ballista into a 4 legged golem so that it may be able to traverse any terrain type without any hassle. Wheels have always been shown as a ...pathetic method of locomotion in this game due to a huge non existent lack of roads. Bipedal is the best means to get heavy firepower to where it is the most needed fast.
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Re: 130508 Aftermath

Postby Timotheus on Sun May 12, 2013 2:49 am

Just make sure it can fit in the hold or on the deck without compromising the ship's integrity. The time to find out is NOW not at 10,000 feet. Likewise, our ship is not a Tardis so we better be able to fit it and enough shafts to make it worthwhile bringing it along without creating an impossible situation in the cargo area for the other general stores and below deck storage and work areas.

Sailing with the golems sticking their feet out a side door or their heads up through a deck hatch is not going to be acceptable. And you're not hanging cured meats over my bunk.
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