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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby laserkid on Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:50 pm

benuminister wrote:
Talancir wrote:
laserkid wrote:I like the old black and silver...If you get votes I plan to counter.

seconded.

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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby James Rye on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:14 pm

laserkid wrote:I like the old black and silver...If you get votes I plan to counter.


What black silver banner?

http://www.drowtales.com/~pathtopower/a ... p?sid=7864

Get your facts straight, that´s not under any artist POV silver, its white. And its also not light purple, that´s shadow colors to show how the light hit the banner. Heck, i´m not even sure if that is stuff in the middle is black or just grey lines.

The white banner was made as a emergency solution cause we had no colors back then. Now we have lots of colors thanks to mother earth to finally get a real banner and not a Kyrol 2.0 one.

But fine, everyone got their own idea. I just would have liked it if you had spoken up sooner and instead of a counteradvise had put up an own black-white version of our banner in this very list. But it looks like you rather spend 1 minute to make an pretentious advise than one-two hours drawing a banner or decide stuff in five minutes instead to wait patiently 2 frikkin' years to finally get stuff through cause other stuff was more important.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Tibanna Vilrath on Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:39 am

i like the old banner too... and i dont care why it looks the way it looks.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby laserkid on Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:50 pm

You know what... Forget it, too damn easy... Let the votes decide.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Avidavi on Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:39 pm

;ldkjgfu sjdhf

Thalar via PM wrote:Well, at the end of the previous clan colors debaucle (or the one before.. I forget), people decided to ask the Ilharess what colors she thought applied to the clan. As I recall, she mentioned grey, white and orange, but I could be mistaken. It's in the archives, if you've got the time to read through. I unfortunately don't right at the moment

It doesn't really get more official than the Ilharess' own words, so that is why many believe we already have a color scheme and should stick with it. Others just refuse to take that panel as the Ilharess-given truth, or wish to change her mind.


I don't have the time to read through either. But, THERE. SETTLED. *Flees and acts like she was never part of this debate*
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Jonarus_Drakus on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:04 pm

Maybe we can 'smooth things over' a bit by taking the approach of not changing the colours all together, but seeing what kind of awesome combo's we can come up with the existing colours?

So, light grey (maybe *slightly* tinted with purple, but only VERY faintly), black (metalic maybe?), and yellow (Maybe some kind of brass or even bronze?). Leave it at that, if we can't come up with something cool WITHIN those restrictions, it because what we have is good enough.

Maybe something like this? (I'd also like to see what Odd can do with this, but thats mostly just out of curiosity - This simple version would probably be as fancy as Reza would accept)
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby James Rye on Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:09 am

Avidavi wrote:;ldkjgfu sjdhf

Thalar via PM wrote:Well, at the end of the previous clan colors debaucle (or the one before.. I forget), people decided to ask the Ilharess what colors she thought applied to the clan. As I recall, she mentioned grey, white and orange, but I could be mistaken. It's in the archives, if you've got the time to read through. I unfortunately don't right at the moment

It doesn't really get more official than the Ilharess' own words, so that is why many believe we already have a color scheme and should stick with it. Others just refuse to take that panel as the Ilharess-given truth, or wish to change her mind.


I don't have the time to read through either. But, THERE. SETTLED. *Flees and acts like she was never part of this debate*


You mean this one, Alu?

http://www.drowtales.com/~pathtopower/a ... p?sid=6721

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Nice work, added to the list. If the advice gets through that is, still missing two votes. Might be that your idea won´t be shown in the comic now. :/

@laserkid

See? That way like Job did would have been fair and right. He spend time to create something like the others and thus will also await the Illhars/GM´s decision if she believes this banner fits to the clan and will make it in the finals so that everyone of us has a chance to choose which he believes himself fits the best.

The banner Reza made was the symbol we all wanted yet the colors weren´t. Reza took them cause a) no had promoted a clan color scheme back then b) they´re easy to draw/less time consuming and c) ingame we had no colors/enough money at that time for colors. In short those colors were never clan approved, we just went along with it and people accustomed to it over time. If you believed that white-black would be the best/superior to all other clan members clan color ideas, why didn´t you spend some time like us and made a banner for the contest to let others decicde?

Instead you went for a quickie, an one minute advise, using other people´s dead characters, just for the record they died for the clan and not some piece of cloth with some coal symbol on it, basically telling others *vote for me, my advice sounds cool. Unlike the other guys who use a tinyurl. Laaaaaame~*.
Same for what you´ve wrote in this thread. All i read is a *I don´t like what you do. Boooh, you suck.*; i know that´s not what you´ve wrote but that´s how it feels to me.

viewtopic.php?f=75&t=14338

Given this thread i have waited over 18 months now to finally present the Illhar a clan-driven project with enough material of those the rest of the clan can decide what they like the most. So that we can´t only have a smybol we decided on but also a clan color scheme we all decided on, and didn´t got served by the GM/artist. Seriously how would you feel if Kern would have said we take the hand as symbol, ignoring everyone´s we want the mana symbols? Or if Reza had took pink instead of white as background color, so that till now we would have a pink-black banner with who we go to battle/die under? That would feel shitty, right? Or would you go as well and write *Hell no, i wanna keep the pink banner. Its what some players died under!*?

Everyone had/still has the chance to paticipate, everyone had/still has the chance to take what i offered with the basic banner, to color it in your favorite scheme and show it here to the GM/everyone else. This is a tinyurl, every banner that gets shown here will be featured in it, even Jon´s one which he posted yesterday, even your black-white favorite if you had spend some time/work on it to upload it here.
But all you did was to write one comment in this thread to tell me that my efforts are worthless and then made some pompous advise to get featured in the comic, diminishung my efforts to nil and nothing. And all that while this very thread exist for months and the other one for over a year. Not cool, man. :(

And that´s why i´m pissed at you, not that you support the white-black one, that´s fine after all they are people who like it, its how you went on it what makes me feel like you spit in my face.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby laserkid on Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:27 pm

Well, if you want to drama bomb, so be it man. I agree that I have disregard your wants and your work and I'm fine with that because I disagree with what would be the results of this issue on principle. You want to talk about it like men then voice chat me on Skype: laserkid is my sign in.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby James Rye on Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:25 pm

The problem is that the white-black were never agreed on with any member back then, they went along with it and right so given the circumstances back then. But there´s a reason why Kern suggested grey, yellow and bronze as clan colors when asked and not white-black: He thought white-black would be a terrible combination as clan colors for the Tei'Kaliath, especially given that this scheme is already taken by one of his Canon great clans, the Kyrols. And Thalar offered green and white when asked for new banner colors.

Kern said the grey, yellow, bronze fits our clan as what we are. Thalar said with green or white we would represent our new home Ama'varde better.

If she as GM says that purple´s not a color fitting for our clan, than the same should go for black as well.

We´re not a white-black thinking clan like the Kyorls, like Kern told us we´re more grey but turns yellow, bronze when someone trys to harm us. Green represent the forest we live in and white the winters we survive to see the green next year again.

They´re very good and fitting colors for our clan and should have the chance to be shown as well as the white-black one for everyone to decide on. There are quite many players who don´t read the forums and just reads the comic/vote the comic.
If you had made a white-black banner image it would have been shown to Anji´s/Thalar´s judgement like the rest, she would have picked the ones she believed fits our clan the best/represents it the most.
But instead you made an extra advise for only white-black, basically saying that this is the one and only true banner, disregarding other people´s opinion and work. There are people who want a colored banner, they don´t always speak up, but they do have their own version of how our flag should look like. I wanted to give them a chance to show that. And if enough people had said yeah, that white/grey-yellow-green one looks more promising than only white-black then thats good. If people had said nah, after looking at all of them we still stay with white-black then that´s good too. It would have been an offical agreement on what our colors should be from now on.
But with your advise we won´t get there at all. Other colors scheme gets shut down as *monstrous* or *weird* or *ugly*, that´s neither fair nor right. Anji wanted to see other color schemes, she said purple´s not fitting, she never said that white-black are our clan colors, she also said that no one will be forced to wear clothes of our clan colors and so on.

And thats why i dont get your counter advise, espcially since its more of a second clan color advise, but instead of mine its a *white-black is better than anything else, screw GM/everyone else opinions.*, and that´s were i disagree with you. If you wanted black-white to be the offical clan colors, accpeted by everyone, get GM´s approval like the others and then let the people decide once they have a choice to vote for. Don´t just go over other people´s effort, saying they´re wrong and telling everyone that your opinion and those of 10 others are the only right ones. Let the white-black compare to the other ones for everyone to decide, if it gets GM approval that is. Maybe Anji will say *nope, black doesn´t fit us at all* or *The Kyorls are already claiming black-white as clan colors, we can't have them* or *the white-black were never our clan colors, we just didn´t had any back then/till now.* Or she will say, *lets see if it will win against this and this one, then Anji gonna accept those as clan colors.*.
But now we might never know.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Hellsion on Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:01 pm

I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE IS YELLING ABOUT AND I HAVE THE CAPSLOCK ON EVERYONE HAS KOODIES WHY ARE WE HERE THE EARTH IS ROUND MARILYN MONROE IS DEAD AND THE CHALLENGER EXPLODED


WHAT IS GOING ON I AM NOT GOOD WITH THE INTERNET


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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby James Rye on Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Easy, Hell. Take a pill or two. Maybe the red one?^^

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All i want is that they don´t confuse clan colors with place holders. Cause thats what the white-black banner is at the moment, just a place holder made by Reza till we decide on our own clan color scheme. It was never meant to be our clan colors. He could have chosen pink-green for all he cared.
And i want them to instead go around and telling others, that means you too Hell, that their designs are crap and only white-black is the only true color scheme to make a white-black image, uploading it here so that i can put it up onto the list and then let Thalar decide which schemes shall reach the finals.

If people don´t like green, but blue then instead to complain they should either make a blue banner themselve and upload it here or ask one of the artist to color one in that scheme in like 20 minutes. Hell could get that done in ten, at least that what i think of her skills.^^

Instead people ignored that possibility, ignored months of a possible discussion of fitting clan colors, act surprised/pissed off by an advise which was announced weeks ago and make an own advise to crush every other possible clan color design without even giving them a chance. Are we the goddamn Kyrols or what? Oh right, the banner is white-black now. XD

Just make a white-black image, upload it in the tinyurl list and let Thalar as GM decide, that´s all i ask for when you want white-black to be our offical clan colors. If she says white-black into the finals, fine; if she says they made it to the half-finals but lost to green-yellow, also fine. Just don´t ignore her opinion/decision as well as the rest of the clan which was busy voting for other advisea but also got a opinion to colors or continue with place holders as our clan colors.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Catriana on Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:47 pm

Wait, I'm sorry, but this conversation about clan colors and the flag? It's not the first time it's come up. It's not the first time folks have tried to make an issue of it, and each and every time, things have remained the same. So no one was 'acting surprised and pissed off', it was more like a "Here we go again...."

And I do believe some folks on here expressed that they didn't think there needed to be a change, and were ignored. So don't act surprised when those same people vote against you.

Sorry things didn't work out how you wanted, but behaving like this isn't going to help your case.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby James Rye on Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:02 pm

Okay, i can see that. But i can´t see why people believe those place holders are our clan colors.
Anji never said they were ours, when asked for clan colors she didn´t answered *we already got some, they´re white and black.*, she offered her opinion of what colors might fit as clan colors.

If people want white-black as clan colors than they should do the same as the others and color their own banner for Anji to finally decide upon. I just don´t think, white-black will make it, cause either Kern will draw the Canon card saying one of his DT clans has that scheme already or Thalar will say that white-black isn´t quite fitting for our new home/clan behaviour.
That white-black is popular is ok, it´s not ok to undermine other peoples opinion/effort and go all superior saying those colors were always our clan colors or that other colors would, what does it say again, defile our banner. Thats like saying all other colored images are disgusting and that quite insulting given the time/effort some people spend of those images. That and i´m allergic using other people´s death to push an advise forward. I hate that in RL too, when politics go all *those people died for this flag, for our beliefs, blablabla* to look good and all, while those people didn´t died for that, they wanted to live for their families, see the future, how their kids grow up, yeah they may have believed in that countries belief or were just there for money, but none of them died willingly for a piece of cloth with some colors on it.
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Re: Clan Colors 2.0

Postby Catriana on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:23 am

You're thinking too hard about this. It's not nearly as serious as you're making it out to be.

Look at how the counter vote option is worded. Folks died under that flag, friends, mates, family, it holds a significance and nostalgia folks don't really feel like giving up. A colored flag does not represent our 'clan colors'.

Note I said 'under', not 'for'. There is a very distinct difference between the two.

We don't have clan colors. We don't need them. The reason all the other clans have colors is because they were all created by Kern. They're his, and so he can decide to give them a color scheme and it mostly be adhered to. But we're a bunch of people under one banner and we all make this clan. Having a neutral flag is probably the best thing, it doesn't need to be changed so we can be supah cool like all the other clans. We're fine as is. We don't need to be limited to clan colors, because we're all very colorful on our own and we like it that way.

If you want colors so bad, create your family and have your banner be as colorful as you want. I've seen some truly inventive and colorful clan symbols. But stop trying to force the majority to have the entire clan be put under certain colors, we're too diverse for that.

Maybe one day you'll get your wish and folks will want to change the colors, but for now, the majority have spoken, and the best thing to do would be to respect that and bow out gracefully.
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