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"Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Tue May 17, 2011 1:32 am

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Tei'kaliaths banding together to find
Animals worthy of capture and
Methodically breeding them for mass
Exploitation in PTP2

Brigade Headquarters. Or something ^^;
Anyway, a few members (including myself) have expressed some interest in catching animals and having them livestock ready by PTP2, so I figured a topic to organize these efforts (and not clutter the settlement thread) was in order. I think we can discuss different ways of catching the beasts in question, and try and prioritize which ones we should go after first (Since PTP could probably start any week now...)
I don't require formal sign-ups to be part of this group ^^. Participate if you want, but I won't hold you to it.


A list of known fauna (and their possible products):
  • Haledri (draught, cloth fiber, fertilizer)... Already owned!
  • Goats (milk, cheese, fleece/wool, fertilizer)... owned by halmes in Hanen
  • Deer (leather, meat, fertilizer)... Hunted; best captured using bolas
  • Boars (meat, leather, fertilizer)... Captured and acclimating for domestication!
  • Small gryphons/birds (Feathers, meat, eggs, possible falconry)... 10 Captured, awaiting study for egg-laying and behavior
  • Big gryphon... Drow-Eater. Do not approach
  • Panthers... Defensive or Offensive Aggression Displayed. Do not approach
  • Bees (honey, wax)... Queen and colony captured!
  • Mussels (meat)...
  • Fish (meat, oil)... Caught; best harvested using nets(?)
  • "Burrowing animals"...
  • "Mana rats" (potential Emergency Mana Meal?)... Mana-Sappers. Do not approach
  • Mant'ursa (No idea)... Very big carnivore, being studied. Do not approach


I think we should focus on the deer, boar and small gryphons for now.
  • Deer will provide us with leather and meat, and maybe even mounts if they're big enough (still haven't gotten a lot of information on them. Hopefully Eh'rin's hunting party will bring one or two back, and we can see how big they are, then.). But, deer are farmable and able to be domesticated.
    • The deer seem too small to be used as mounts. Maybe draught.
    • The deer are most easily captured using non-fatal bolas (compared to auto-crossbows. The self- and composite-bows have not been tested)
    • Laerei and myself have suggested breed the deer bigger to make stable mounts
    • Nacht on deer and future GUFT/Hunter actions
      Nacht wrote: I was thinking of putting in an option to get some more out of the fauna/hunter actions... How about:
      - capture, tag and release program in order to keep track of the animals in our forest. I could design some small clip rings that would serve to identify animals.
      - feeding deer and other animals during winter, if we could coordinate with the farm to have some spare stock we could maintain trideer populations close to the village during winter which would make hunting easier. Can be a first step towards domestication and also attract new species we may not have seen before.
      - designs for better hunting weapons, such as traps or better arrows
      - buy feral slaves and train them to assist us in hunting, we would benefit from their heightened sense of smell and hearing
      - buy livestock, or steal some from other villages
      - organise ourselves to safely hunt larger predators to get some nice pelts, there is a ranger squad available for help on this dangerous task

  • Boar are also easily domesticated and farmed, and would provide us with meat and leather. They require far less resources than deer, and can pretty much live off scraps, which we'll probably be generating a lot of. I can picture the pig farm in Spirited Away, though that's very much "intensive farming."
    • Female Boar: 4
    • Male Boar: 0
    • The current (passive) boar trap seems to work well. Boar enter a baited pen and cannot escape. They are then sorted into two adjoining pens based on gender. Boar of both gender seem to acclimate well to TK presence when consistently interacted with, fed, and kept from the opposite sex unless breeding.
    • Boar can be fed scraps.
    • Females and males cannot be kept together. A sounder of non-breeding females will kill a male penned with them.
    • The male is currently behaving peculiarly. I believe this is due to the breeding season (winter approaching = shortening day length = breeding). He is being moved to the center pen to safely study his interactions with the females. Breeding attempt failed.. sows are hostile to males during irl breeding seasons. Male winter in mounds.
  • The small gryphons seemed easy to catch, and would also provide us with food and maybe insight into their bigger cousin (or, as it may turn out, mother or father). We may also be able to use them for falconry (Suggested by Kear ^^)
    • Thalar has never referred to these creatures (or their bigger buddy) as 'gryphons.' They are simply birds. Six-limbed birds, but birds none-the-less.
    • These animals are aggressive when captured and can do serious damage. With nets, 7 TKs were able to catch 3 birds, so nets may not be efficient. The non-fatal bolas, which have been tested positively on deer, should be tested next time we try to catch these guys again.
    • So far, these small birds have only been seen crowding around a rocky outcropping at G-21. They are not nesting or raising young. Their reason for being out there has not yet been discerned.

Now, as for the easily attainable things:
  • Goats: We should endeavor to buy some goats from Hanen and raise a herd, which would provide us with milk and more meat. Or, maybe we just need them for milk, mostly. They may have to substitute the deer if we can't catch them.
  • Bees: The feral mentioned honey, so I have to think they're getting it from Hanen. We should ask the halmes to teach us about beekeeping and maybe start raising our own stock.
    • We have captured a colony of bees and their queens. Apiculture seems to follow standard real-life procedures, requiring hive-boxes, smokers, protective gear, a queen and the bees to winter (no honey production during winter).
  • Mussels can also be farmed... by growing them on ropes in culture pools. 'Nuff said, there.
  • Fish: Not much we can do with fish. We could build some fisheries in the lake...

And for the dangerous things:
  • Big cats: These are probably too small for mounts, but we may be able to use them as some kind of warbeast. They may even make good companions for scouts.
    • The big cats seem to be about the same dimensions as the deer, but I'm only looking at the chibi-drawing.
  • "Mana rats"/Deðy: Ah... these things can take down Drow in seconds, maybe having some kind of venom. If we can harvest these rats, we may be able to harvest and exploit this substance. EDIT: These things sap mana, which makes sense, what with them living under the mana plant. They may work as an emergency mana-boost if we eat them, though.
    • Gemini has proposed we name the rats "Deðy."
    • Also, the GUTF will in the future partner with Gem's Science Center to study the rats and manaplants.
  • Burrowing rodents: .. Okay; they probably aren't dangerous, but you never know. If anything, We may want to collect them to feed any carnivores we may want to keep around, instead of sacrificing meat stock.


So, where would you guys like to start?
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Whizzard on Tue May 17, 2011 4:29 am

If you need muscle to wrestle them down, I am always willing to lend you a hand if there are no other matters I have to attend to! ^^

And maybe we could go and try to catch a deer or two, maybe they really are usable as mounts. if not, food! I wonder how much milk can one female give, goats grown for milking for hundreds/thousands of years probably give more if you bring real life... biology in it.
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Wed May 18, 2011 10:14 pm

Well-p, the deer are too small to use as mounts. *Weep*

Which means they are now venison. *Sigh*

Operation... Erm... PIGGIES! *wee*

So, this week I'd like to concentrate efforts on a trap/pen for boar. It works as such: boar usually travel in large groups and are omnivores, eating anything. I'd like to build a circular pen about ten feet in diameter, with one-way openings around the perimeter. As bait, we'd leave a pile of foodscraps (meat, fish, any edible trash we have). Hogs would be able to enter but not exit, and they'd probably be too busy eating to try. The trap would also make a makeshift pen, so as long as we keep feeding them in it, there's no reason to move them until the farm is built. Plus, it may continue to collect more boar.

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To build it outside the colony, I'd need at least six votes.

Side note: How our pig-pens should look in the farm maybe: http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/523 ... 0bbfd8.jpg
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby drakanor on Thu May 19, 2011 1:41 am

I'm game! getting some livestock will be most beneficial for us indeed.
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Whizzard on Thu May 19, 2011 7:21 am

Oh, but you can breed the bucks bigger and stronger. Mother Alu makes bucks strong! XD
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Thu May 19, 2011 7:42 am

We could try that....
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Whizzard on Thu May 19, 2011 8:12 am

But this one wonders how does one breed bucks bigger and stronger. *ooo*
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Thu May 19, 2011 8:31 am

If you have a herd, you'd breed the biggest bucks with the biggest does, I guess. That's kinda how they bred the supercow.
Anyhoo, I guess you'd select the biggest of any age range, so you're not selecting big old bucks against small, younger bucks. But, anyhoo, You'd keep selecting the biggest of each generation as breeders.

Eventually, if you selected for the right things, you'd turn a plains pony into a Clydesdale... or in this case, a white-tail into an elk ^^.

... *Weeps* ;~; My dreams.. broken in one hunt!
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Whizzard on Thu May 19, 2011 8:39 am

Let's do eet! I wonder if in that 10-15 years we have achieved it. Ehh, maybe, if GM shows mercy. Then we need to catch a herd of them quick enough! Shall we get started? ;D
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Thu May 19, 2011 8:42 am

Well, we do need to bring in a herd to have a stable leather supply anyway. Once the pig trap is up and working, we can go for the deer. I have some ideas of catching them already ^^
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby James Rye on Thu May 19, 2011 8:56 am

Awesome trap. I love your idea Avi, hope you get your neccessary 6 votes to achieve this. :3
And who knows, maybe someday our alchemists/mana specialist can find a method to grow boars/deers into mount animals, at least it would make a great invention. XD

But deers won´t go in such a trap unlike boars, how could we catch them. Their meat and hide is more luxury/better than of a normal boar isn´t it?
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Whizzard on Thu May 19, 2011 9:27 am

A very good weapon for catching deer is the bolas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas
Just a three balls connected by a rope.

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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Thu May 19, 2011 9:33 am

Wow... simple and effective.. Though I think we'd want to use a soft weight to reduce injury. Sandbags, perhaps?

If needed, te could build something like a haledri-drawn cage to move them to the settlement, and tie em down ^^.
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Kear'Naun on Thu May 19, 2011 10:12 am

*peeks in*

Actually I would like to propose a different idea for the small gryphons. They look to my eye to be just about the right size to catch breed and train them for falconry. Which would allow us to use them for hunting small mamals, birds and water fowl (and maybe they could be used for fishing). I guess you get the idea? Of course that really only works if they are a distinct small species of gryphon and not just the young ones of the bigger gryphon we have seen.

Of course for this we would need to build a proper birdhouse (or whatever it would be called). And breeding and training might take several generations of gryphons/years. So this might just be a timeskip project. Your thoughts?
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Re: "Grabbing Up the Fauna" Team

Postby Avidavi on Thu May 19, 2011 10:21 am

Oh, we can almost certainly try to catch some of those gryphons now. As I said in the chat a lil' while ago, they don't seem to be particularly afraid of drow (at least, when compared to the deer, which take off into the wild green yonder at the mere sight of us). We may be able to bait them right into our hands, as us humans can do with songbirds. If not get them close enough to grab, we can probably get them to flock tight enough to throw a weighted fishing net over a sizeable group.

As for training, you can start that with the next generation. Birds imprint fairly well, after all. It's definitely something we can try and undergo now. We have fishing nets and weights (rocks) and food.

If we can't build a proper bird house immediately, we can tie them to perches by their legs. We actually use this technique at the wildlife center on campus: It prevents our raptors (all injured and unable to fly), from taking off and falling and hurting themselves. Or, we can clip their wings (feathers only) and keep them in a pen. Allocating a tent to a makeshift aviary would work in the meanwhile.
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