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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:17 am

Just finished going over the nal outpost situation and yes that was handled poorly. We have a different roster of players true, but enough of the old "veterans" to still remember how to organize war actions. I get the whole 'It's a Duck!' issue you are mentioning but in the old system a warrior could not help a blacksmith or engineer action and would be a wasted vote basically. In the new system the skills are out there and as long as there are enough votes it makes progress. We make it a duck.

Back to the roster issue ((which is actually still the duck issue oddly enough)) the way to correct the problem is by proper discussion here in the forums to pre-plan and keep players updated as to the intentions of "the warriors" each round. It is up to us to make sure the current pool of players/votes out there are aware of what we want before we even post an action. Yes this requires actual time and effort which a good portion of players are unable to work into busy schedules for now by the feel of it ((myself most definitely included)) but should there be enough in the vote pool and proper direction before hand I am sure not just the warrior actions but all actions in the future would work out much better.

Gosh darn pipe dream if we keep going the way we have been going so far however.
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on a side not it looks like we are working with about 25-35 votes per action the last while.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby H'K'Maly on Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:46 am

H'K'Maly wrote:(How exactly are those archives divided again? Also, how many time before taking off we have?)


minalia wrote:We are leaving in this very turn. At the end of the LA in the next page update coming this Friday, our ship will have taking off and will be flying to the old homeland.


Ash'arion wrote:Friday's update is the last before takeoff. It will probably even include takeoff.


I see I'm not the only one who have no idea which actions are supposed to go to which archive.

Ash'arion wrote:That's ah... kind of a mess, really. There is merit in vote strength, but ultimately it looks like what matters most is how close an advice is to what the GM intended to have happen. This is a gentle railroading to the end of the line, but a railroading nonetheless. Regarding the classes, the situation is basically the same as having classes in all but name. Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, swims like a duck, not allowed to do things ducks can't do, but god forbid we just come out and call it a duck in any means other than supportive generalization.


Wait, there is duck? I mean, are we actually supposed to divide into classes? Why is the warrior thread only one active then?
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:03 pm

How archives are supposed to work is that the EA ((event archive)) is for actions meant for goal progression. so things like 'build new golem hat' would go here. LA ((leader archive)) is meant for communication between players and An'Jhali to help with story progression and shape her personality. Things like 'my lady, do you feel that the new golem hat is helpful to your cause?' would go here as it addresses An'Jhali directly ((other conversation type actions with NPC's can go here as well.))

And the 'duck' is the elephant in the room. The way I remember it being explained is that instead of having classes post class actions where they only make headway if other members of that class vote for it or it will fail. New system is that there are no classes so anyone can post an event action and as long as it receives votes it makes headway of some form or another. A good portion of players remained doing the jobs they had before the change as the clan needs actions from warriors and engineers etc. The active forums looked to be warrior, Feral Special Forces and engineer threads along with whichever one explains the frames of the days comic.

Over time the actions sort of became a race to quickly post something that may be vaguely helpful in hopes of getting an appearance in the archive. No real conversation about the action save for a quick blurb in the shoutbox and maybe a back and forth argument between two players. This continues to happen a lot because many players are busy and don't feel like reading the forums so they quickly scan what is in the actions options and select what they feel good about. not saying there is anything wrong with that, but it cuts out being able to make an informed decision sometimes. This becomes a bit of a circle because the more people who post without discussion means that there are less people posting in the forum and therefore less reason to check the forum first before voting for an action.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Whizzard on Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:44 am

Yeah, for the 95% of time when the new page arrives I am sound asleep. When I wake up in the morning I usually don't have time to check the PtP. By the time I do, it has been close to 20 hours since and most of actions have already been posted so I nearly never have any chance to express my opinion. All I can do is speculate before the page arrives about what we should do next and make my suggestions beforehand. Which occasionally fly out of the window because something unexpected happened on the page and we have to conjure up a new plan.

H'K'Maly wrote:I see I'm not the only one who have no idea which actions are supposed to go to which archive.


It should be simple, really. I'll explain it simpler than Goji.

Event archive is for actions such as warrior training, scouting, making new items, building stuff, etc.

Leader archive is for character interaction like with An'jhali and others AND for decision making such as where we go next.

Though lately some of these have gotten mixed up somehow. Look at the last page, it's mostly character interaction. I wonder whether it's a bad thing, because this way we get more story out of it. I remember Event Archive being the most boring longest read of a comic page.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby H'K'Maly on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:05 am

Whizzard wrote:
H'K'Maly wrote:I see I'm not the only one who have no idea which actions are supposed to go to which archive.


It should be simple, really. I'll explain it simpler than Goji.

Event archive is for actions such as warrior training, scouting, making new items, building stuff, etc.

Leader archive is for character interaction like with An'jhali and others AND for decision making such as where we go next.

Though lately some of these have gotten mixed up somehow. Look at the last page, it's mostly character interaction. I wonder whether it's a bad thing, because this way we get more story out of it. I remember Event Archive being the most boring longest read of a comic page.


Not only is last page mostly character interaction, it DOES include An'jhali. As does the PREVIOUS page in event archive. Meanwhile, the last page of LEADER archive is entirely without leader AND contain the warning about the last opportunity for ACTION.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:20 am

Originally the game was designed around settlement development and other such projects. The EA was used to further those types of goals while a heavy portion of story development was handled in the LA. I don't know if it is because of the shift from development to exploration or that people more or less have stopped caring where their actions are being placed that is causing the new setup. You are correct though, lately actions for both EA and LA have been all over the place.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby goblin6 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 3:04 am

I got a suggestion for the warriors, since we're bringing kids despite how unwise that would be, we need to make sure they don't touch anything they shouldn't or crawl into areas they shouldn't be in. So basically, keep and eye on the kids and make sure they don't get lost in the ship or get hurt.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Ash'arion on Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:00 am

goblin6 wrote:I got a suggestion for the warriors, since we're bringing kids despite how unwise that would be, we need to make sure they don't touch anything they shouldn't or crawl into areas they shouldn't be in. So basically, keep and eye on the kids and make sure they don't get lost in the ship or get hurt.


That's the parents' jobs. Warriors are not babysitters. You want to bring your brats on the ship, your time should be filled with taking proper care of them.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:16 am

I have a feeling there will be enough people with free hands from all sections to look after the kids. and yes initial responsibility as always falls to the parents
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Durlyn Val'Sarghress on Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:19 am

Ash'arion wrote:
goblin6 wrote:I got a suggestion for the warriors, since we're bringing kids despite how unwise that would be, we need to make sure they don't touch anything they shouldn't or crawl into areas they shouldn't be in. So basically, keep and eye on the kids and make sure they don't get lost in the ship or get hurt.


That's the parents' jobs. Warriors are not babysitters. You want to bring your brats on the ship, your time should be filled with taking proper care of them.



Yeah, the kids should be the responsibility of the parents rather than the warriors as a whole (I'm a warrior and a parent in game so...XD, should probably bring Athen along).

I don't think we have anything particularly urgent to bring to Anjhali's attention in the LA, unless ya guys have any other ideas we can bring to her attention or merely wish to interact with the other crew members/kids etc
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:21 am

nothing important for us to ask her and don't think there is a lot for us to converse about with the other npc's given the current situation, so our votes are better served with other actions this time around.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby goblin6 on Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 am

Scratch my idea, you guys are right and it's best left to the parents. But I'd be piss if they start pressing buttons and swinging swords bigger then them. Already posted an advice in the LA, made an announcement to all parents that their kids are to remain at their sides at all times.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Whizzard on Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:45 am

If I may, I'd like to finally start the tactics and teamwork training next week.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Gojinki on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:21 am

What would this require? ((I'm assuming that this was something that was discussed during the time I was away so if there is a post link feel free to post it and I will read myself.))
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Ash'arion on Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:51 am

Whizzard wrote:If I may, I'd like to finally start the tactics and teamwork training next week.


Gojinki wrote:What would this require? ((I'm assuming that this was something that was discussed during the time I was away so if there is a post link feel free to post it and I will read myself.))


I'd like to know too. You guys kind of do that every other turn or so, so I don't see what's 'finally' being started. Do you guys want me to drop an engineering project and hang out with you all some more?
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