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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby novamouy17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:59 am

well the longer they are left alone the higher the chance they can get away. someone needs to post to get them as soon as possable they been left there for about 4 hours now... 13 total, 10 children and 3 adults. I dont want a repeat of the last time our slaves were left behind. they almost starved to death.....
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Catriana on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:20 am

novamouy17 wrote:Hey! Hey! Hey! Somebody please please please post an advice to take any surviving drow enemy as slaves! But skip the demon chick she can die for all i care. this is the perfect chance for it!!!!


They were never our enemies, they were the dvergars, so they belong to the dvergars. They are not our spoils of war. We have no claim to them.

Edit: Just a reminder to everyone that we had our chance to ask for spoils of war and decided against it.

So please, everyone, do not decide, once again, to ask for spoils of war.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Durlyn Val'Sarghress on Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:44 am

Catriana wrote:
novamouy17 wrote:Hey! Hey! Hey! Somebody please please please post an advice to take any surviving drow enemy as slaves! But skip the demon chick she can die for all i care. this is the perfect chance for it!!!!


They were never our enemies, they were the dvergars, so they belong to the dvergars. They are not our spoils of war. We have no claim to them.

Edit: Just a reminder to everyone that we had our chance to ask for spoils of war and decided against it.

So please, everyone, do not decide, once again, to ask for spoils of war.




Ditto, we don't want to damage our relations with them, we did make it possible for them to retake their city even if they were the ones to finish the deed in the end, no need to sour what I hope is a relatively good opinion they currently have of us. Their opinion of us will hopefully become even better when they learn of how the civilians have been looking after their own for them back at Amavarde.

P.S. could Anjhali seal the demon away in a gem for us after she takes a look at me? I think she's our only specialist in that regard right?
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Pariel on Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:59 am

Catriana wrote:
novamouy17 wrote:Hey! Hey! Hey! Somebody please please please post an advice to take any surviving drow enemy as slaves! But skip the demon chick she can die for all i care. this is the perfect chance for it!!!!


They were never our enemies, they were the dvergars, so they belong to the dvergars. They are not our spoils of war. We have no claim to them.

Edit: Just a reminder to everyone that we had our chance to ask for spoils of war and decided against it.

So please, everyone, do not decide, once again, to ask for spoils of war.


I feel we should inform the dwarves about them if they're not already and pass the judgement to them over this matter. Least we can do to honor Ihtrim's rulers.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Leonis on Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:47 am

Durlyn Val'Sarghress wrote:
Catriana wrote:
novamouy17 wrote:Hey! Hey! Hey! Somebody please please please post an advice to take any surviving drow enemy as slaves! But skip the demon chick she can die for all i care. this is the perfect chance for it!!!!


They were never our enemies, they were the dvergars, so they belong to the dvergars. They are not our spoils of war. We have no claim to them.

Edit: Just a reminder to everyone that we had our chance to ask for spoils of war and decided against it.

So please, everyone, do not decide, once again, to ask for spoils of war.




Ditto, we don't want to damage our relations with them, we did make it possible for them to retake their city even if they were the ones to finish the deed in the end, no need to sour what I hope is a relatively good opinion they currently have of us. Their opinion of us will hopefully become even better when they learn of how the civilians have been looking after their own for them back at Amavarde.

P.S. could Anjhali seal the demon away in a gem for us after she takes a look at me? I think she's our only specialist in that regard right?


I would like to note that we were not expected to extend mercy to the civilians who asked for it. It is down near the bottom according to the angry pointy beard.

So asking what they would want done with them. And instead of killing, could we have as slaves instead?

What is to be done with the POWs? If killing them, may we have for slaves? 74.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby novamouy17 on Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:44 am

I'll vote on that!
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby BlackFulcrum on Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:15 am

Well....that was...anticlimactic, I guess we should have just attacked.

On the other hand, the Dvergar did do the final push themselves and had the pride of taking their palace by themselves, so..meh...

Anyway what to do:
- Heal the wounded, all of them, both Tei'kaliath, and Dvergar.
- How to deal with Durlyn's demonic infestation issue
- Ask the Dvergar if they need any immediate help with anything, prisoners, emergency repairs, clean up, etc.
- Deal with the demon somehow, a nice bunch of falling rocks and a sealing stone should cure this problem.

And I disagree on taking the prisoners as slaves If the Dvergar want to execute them, these people invaded their home, and killed their kin, if they want to return the favor let them, it's their home, and they don't need to be reminded of these guys each time they come to Ama'varde.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Catriana on Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:35 am

Leonis wrote:I would like to note that we were not expected to extend mercy to the civilians who asked for it. It is down near the bottom according to the angry pointy beard.

So asking what they would want done with them. And instead of killing, could we have as slaves instead?

What is to be done with the POWs? If killing them, may we have for slaves? 74.


Nice attempt at trying to find a loophole, but none of them are asking for mercy. We took them as captives, they didn't surrender(in fact the civilians fought as viciously as the others). Furthermore, the dvergar were warning us not to be sympathetic toward their enemy just because they're drow, which was a concern they had in allying with us. It wasn't a "Oh hey, if you want, you can take these guys as slaves if you're feeling up for it, we don't care."

The best thing to do is turn them in to the dvergar and keep those fingers crossed. Do not ask for them, do not be greedy, we've already gotten more than enough out of this bargain, we do not need more.

I would like to repeat: Please DO NOT ASK THEM FOR ANYTHING. It goes back on our vote and our WORD. We had an agreement, let's stick to it. Please. If we don't, it makes us look shady, and the dvergar have a very low opinion of drow as it is. We have a chance to form a good alliance here. What's more important, a little bit of slave labor when we already have plenty or potentially screwing up the chance at a strong alliance?

Edit: And to be perfectly honest, it's kind of none of our business what they decide to do with the prisoners and we shouldn't be asking that, either. We really need to back off and let these guys do their thing how they want to since it's their home.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby James Rye on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:06 am

I´d like to get this advise up:

Hunt rogue enemy,clean city of foe corpses,gather loot for dvergar to check - 75 letters, first part we kill what´s left in city of single enemy elements, do whatever the dvergar wants to be done with the foe corpses and make sure all the loot like armor, swords and such is gathered in one place for dvergar to look at.

Then Anareth´s idea with asking if we can get Mana based items since they can´t make use of it for some food or something would make good sense as the dvergar will check through the loot and divid it into trash, what they can use and what they cant use but is valuable.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Pelinore on Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:49 am

For the end of the battle: well, seems like it wasn't so hard to take the last bastion. We couldn't know and i still think that in the doubt the "wait that we have all our forces here for the final assault" was the best decision to do. no regret for the "rescue ruon" part, it was necessary to avoid casuallities. The thing that bothers me is the fact that we let such a big part of warriors to protect the healers, as we did the last update. Serisouly, in a war, with so few combattants, the best protection an army can afford to give to the healers and the wounded, it's to keep them behind. But divide his force before a fight to protect the healers and therefore increase the probability to loose the fight or at least get a lot of wounded/killed men is NOT a wise thing to do, if the healers are not particulary threatened (and "being near the fight" don't count as "particulary threatened").



For the prisonners...It's a bit of a dilemma. Effectively, we loose the best opportunity to ask them if they would kill the prisonners or enslave them, and ask them now could make them frown a bit...but it's true that if they plan to kill the prisonners, it would be a total waste for us who could use slaves (and ethics problems beside). Personnally, i would be for taking the risk, if we keep the current form of a polite question...

For James rye's option: i think that do as we please in this territory which is now dvergars' home would be a bit clumsy. We can ask them if they want a bit of help to clean the mess (there is currently van'deer's advice who seems me enough open). in fact, the dvergars probably want to see us return to ama'varde. They have their home back, and i think that this proud and fiercy peoples would want to signify it's their home, and that even if we helped them, thanks, they would like to stop to see plenty of drows here for a moment.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby James Rye on Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:32 pm

And if i post that?

Hunt rogue enemy+clean city of foe corpses with permit+support of dvergar. - 74

Then the loot gathering could be thrown in together with the slave/POW gathering for the dvergar to decide what to do with that/them all.

Hunt rogue enemy+clean city of their corpses with permit+support of dvergar
- i guess i´ll put this one up, seems legit enoughto me. :P
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Jonarus_Drakus on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:09 pm

First and for-most, I'm a little disturbed to see people rushing to post actions just because the 'active combat' is "over" - The war is far from settled just yet, we should take our time and be careful... I have a couple of advices to suggest on how to proceed,

PRIMARY ISSUES

1) Sen, your advice is pretty sound in my opinion, it covers pretty much all of the internal 'mopping up' activities that are needed... Except for one... It was stated before this started, that some of the enemy had left the area, perhaps for re-enforcements... I think it would be an important safety measure to set a perimeter, to help prevent stragglers from re-grouping and to give warning if enemy re-enforcements do arrive...

"Set perimeter of Dver/Tei forces. Watch for enemy stragglers/re-enforcement" (75) - If there are no objection I will post this one myself.

2) There are wounded to deal with, so an immediate healer advice would is necessary, Tsuris had a good suggestion for that too (with some help from others :P ), here: viewtopic.php?f=76&t=16601&start=210#p730372 - It covers all the wounded, Dver a Tei alike, so I see no need to go any further... This will cover Durlyn's wounds too (the physical ones anyway), his being tainted is a different issue, and secondary to is physical injuries (for now - see suggestion "5" bellow).

3) Although 'encased' in stone, that daemon will not stay trapped forever, I think we need a more decisive action in regards to it. An'jhali has sealing training, so she's the subject-matter expert. Inform her and let her decide what to do... Dycle has already put an option to 'let it starve', but I doubt it would stay trapped long enough for that to happen...

"Inform An'jhali about the trapped daemon. What should we do?" (60)

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SECONDARY ISSUES (can wait one turn at least)

There are only so-many options we can post, so these next two might be able to wait *A* turn, but they are still of concern:

4) Durlyn - He was tainted, An'jhali (as subject-matter expert again) will need to be informed, Tsuris had a suggested healer-advice that covered it (as well as the other wounded) here: viewtopic.php?f=76&t=16601&start=195#p730331

5) I agree with Cat, directly asking for the prisoners as slaves is probably not a safe move... However, the prisoners ARE an issue all the same. The Dvergar leaders should be made aware of them... At which point, I think we *can* give 'options'... Do not confuse this with actively asking for something, we CAN'T do that... But simply stating possibilities shouldn't cause any issues as we would still be leaving the decision entirely in the hands of the Dvergar leaders... To that effect I suggest something akin to the following:

"Inform Dver about POWS - Will you deal with them? Or should we?" (62) - Again, all the 'power' is in their hands, so were not breaking any agreements with this... They may not really care what happens. The point is if they say "We will", then its out of our hands and we loose all say in the matter (and who cares really). But *IF* they are happy for us to deal with the POWs, then it is our decision, though we can still 'consult' the it will become our choice...

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That covers everything as far as I can see (for now at least)...

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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby James Rye on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:18 pm

"Set perimeter of Dver/Tei forces. Watch for enemy stragglers/re-enforcement" (75) - If there are no objection I will post this one myself.


Since the enemy can enter only through 3 gates and i take care of the few remaining enemies within the city, why not change it into an advise to guard the gates as well as repair that/those ones which needs repairment?

Like

Guard gates for possible enemy reinforcement. Dvergar repair damaged gates. - 75 letters, you have the perimeter set with the three open gates and the ones of them which are damaged gets repaired by the Dvergar crafter we have with us.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Tsuris on Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:45 pm

If it's all the same, I'd rather not wait another turn to ask about Durlyn's taint, really would like to get that out of the way.
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Re: Tei'kaliath Warrior Thread

Postby Catriana on Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:52 pm

Jonarus - I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you have, although I think Anj'hali should know about Durlyn sooner than later. Whether or not she does something about it this turn or next turn is up to her, though.

However, while I do understand your desire to compromise, I would like to make one final plea to everyone as to why I feel we should hand the prisoners to the dvergar without trying to attach ourselves in any way.

While the dvergar were willing to form an alliance with us, I feel like they've been waiting for the other shoe to drop. Not all of them, some have been friendly, but there are a good number of them who still don't fully trust us. Few expressed their doubts on us being able to fight for them because we'd be fighting other drow, most of their dealings with us haven't been the best. We're known, to them, to be dishonest and greedy. These are prideful, stubborn folk with a different culture and mentality than us. The way Jonarus has things worded works, it's a suitable compromise. I simply feel that maybe we should surprise these guys by doing the unexpected. Don't let them misconstrue us as trying to sneak in something extra, which is kind of what that option sounds like if you're used to thinking Drow = Shady Character Who Always Wants Something. And it's true, they probably don't care, but that's not the point. It's not about whether or not they care when you're dealing with diplomatic issues, it's, in this case, proving you're better than what the other party expected.

That's why I believe we should simply hand the PoW's over to them and let them do with them as they please. I don't believe it would be wise to give the option to switch power over to us, I think it's something the dvergar should give to us on their own. I know some people really want slaves, but I think there are easier ways and I believe there will come more opportunities in the future that will come at less hassle.
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