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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Finish on Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:04 pm

I still think we should try our luck with the Nals. Sure we have water in the mine but it's a dead end. What prevents the enemy from breaking through the front gate? The may have more mana bombs, earth sorcerers or other brute force.
And the gate is the only thing between us and them. Or they could find the water entrance. No, the mine seems to be a dead trap. Also we can't escape through the Sarghress exit because we sealed it. It needs time to reopen it.
Time we may not have.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Kitab Al'Ibar on Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:12 pm

Going to the Mine you assume that the golems to open it are still there, Black Sun were fighting around there, they may have already stolen them. On top of that, the mine is locked from the outside, with a Giant Metal Bar.

If they want to raid Ther, then they can happily leave us locked in the Mine, especially if they disable the golems, no way are we gonna be able to open it from the inside. If they want to kill us, then opening the door becomes only a matter of time for them. Some way or other they would get it open, through numbers, through mana powers, through more golems, through plot devicium or whatever else you can think of. *Shrug*

If everyone else is happy to do that, they can go for it. I'll go to the Nal, if doing so gets me absorbed into them, or the clan gradually absorbed, then what a shame, given the choice of dying now or getting absorbed, well, at least i'll have a ready made character for the DT RP section, something to show for 2 and a half years of being a player.

The moment we abandon Ther, we've lost everything that many of us have worked for all that time to build up. We may not have lost An'jhali, but sure enough we've lost the game.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Taruna on Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:20 pm

Kitab Al'Ibar wrote:Going to the Mine you assume that the golems to open it are still there, Black Sun were fighting around there, they may have already stolen them. On top of that, the mine is locked from the outside, with a Giant Metal Bar.

If they want to raid Ther, then they can happily leave us locked in the Mine, especially if they disable the golems, no way are we gonna be able to open it from the inside. If they want to kill us, then opening the door becomes only a matter of time for them. Some way or other they would get it open, through numbers, through mana powers, through more golems, through plot devicium or whatever else you can think of. *Shrug*

If everyone else is happy to do that, they can go for it. I'll go to the Nal, if doing so gets me absorbed into them, or the clan gradually absorbed, then what a shame, given the choice of dying now or getting absorbed, well, at least i'll have a ready made character for the DT RP section, something to show for 2 and a half years of being a player.

The moment we abandon Ther, we've lost everything that many of us have worked for all that time to build up. We may not have lost An'jhali, but sure enough we've lost the game.


Did you consider the alternative exit already? 0o
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Kitab Al'Ibar on Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:28 pm

The Miners are the ones specialised in cracking through walls, the way to the sarg cavern is narrow and the builders sealed it, I'm sure they can unseal it, but it would take a lot longer and that is when time becomes critical.

Tali might be able to crack it if she was with you, but that might just risk bringing down the mine as well.

Add to that the passageway was wide enough for one person at a time, it would take a long time to funnel however many hundred refugees through there when you finally open it.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Kir'ima on Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:37 pm

I think she means the Kir'isu exit through the water.
Unfortunately, I also think that exit is a no-go.

Think about it, few of our clan know how to swim, and many are wounded and/or unconscious.
And if the BS do break through the main door and we have to evacuate through that water passage, how long will it take 250 people to evacuate? And where do we come out? Into the middle of a bunch of Kir'isu who can smell blood, and from there into a cavern that is probably still crawling with enemy warriors.

I agree with Finish and Kitab. The Mine is a death trap.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Finish on Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:46 pm

Kitab Al'Ibar wrote:The Miners are the ones specialised in cracking through walls, the way to the sarg cavern is narrow and the builders sealed it, I'm sure they can unseal it, but it would take a lot longer and that is when time becomes critical.


What miner? Almost all of them, included the Ranked are death. I doubt that the remaining miners could open the sealed gate without a Ranked action. The only people who may have a chance to do so are our MS or many the builders. Assuming that we survive the next update.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Kitab Al'Ibar on Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:42 pm

Finish wrote:What miner? Almost all of them, included the Ranked are death. I doubt that the remaining miners could open the sealed gate without a Ranked action. The only people who may have a chance to do so are our MS or many the builders. Assuming that we survive the next update.


That was exactly my point Finish. The only people who may hav ebeen able to quickly and safely re-open that exit are no longer available.

The builders and Mana specialists might be able to together, but alone, they would likely struggle or bring down other challenges.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Taruna on Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:54 pm

Aiming at the gate would be a waste oO
There are walls that (evidently <.<) can be easily collapsed.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby James Rye on Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:17 pm

Thalar wrote:We're not going through the West gate, Sen'gil. We're going through the South gate. Just because the mine might be our ultimate destination, that doesn't mean we're just gonna go there in a straight line, come hell or high water (or more Black Sun).


Yeah, but it also doesnßt mean that the BS will just watch 280 poeple go aside them, many of them wounded and being non-combats and worse faceless who will panic once we´re under attack.

I do want to spend one more turn in Ther, not holding it forever,just long enough to treat Taruna, her warriors and some scouts/others. I want to hold Ther till we got enough info and tried the way to contact the Nals with Xenon+CR scouts before we give up on Ther completley.

I dislike the idea of the mine, it feels like a death trap similar to the Dvarka case just us being in their place now.
True, our own CR isn´t really safe either, but Ein and his builders/warriors will come back with pack lizards and BS supplies which surely got medical supplies too; you just can´t move out such a huge army without any medical treat ment at all for aftr the fight, right?

If it´s the will of the majority of the clan to leave Ther, i do will follow it but let remain my doubts about the plan. If it works, good; then i´m glad i was in the minority. If it doesn´t work, it´s also okay cause then it was not my fault - since i did told my piece of mind to that matter; but the one of the majority who decided for it.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Taruna on Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:29 pm

James Rye wrote:I do want to spend one more turn in Ther, not holding it forever,just long enough to treat Taruna, her warriors and some scouts/others. I want to hold Ther till we got enough info and tried the way to contact the Nals with Xenon+CR scouts before we give up on Ther completley.


Sure. During this round the entire black sun army from the EAST AND WEST will be held off by.. uhm.. let's count... 2 squads. One round after way more warriors with help of the harvesters, scouts and miners got routed violently and devastating by half their forces.
Sen'gil... honestly. Wake up and take a look at the facts. Staying equals death. period. You ask the clan to sit down and bow forward to be beheaded easier.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Lyrthis on Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:49 am

may i ask some to look at what i postet in Tarunas command center:

http://forums.drowtales.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=14748&p=639778#p639778
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby James Rye on Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:26 pm

Taruna wrote:
James Rye wrote:I do want to spend one more turn in Ther, not holding it forever,just long enough to treat Taruna, her warriors and some scouts/others. I want to hold Ther till we got enough info and tried the way to contact the Nals with Xenon+CR scouts before we give up on Ther completley.


Sure. During this round the entire black sun army from the EAST AND WEST will be held off by.. uhm.. let's count... 2 squads. One round after way more warriors with help of the harvesters, scouts and miners got routed violently and devastating by half their forces.
Sen'gil... honestly. Wake up and take a look at the facts. Staying equals death. period. You ask the clan to sit down and bow forward to be beheaded easier.


Those are not facts, Taruna.
Am awake, thank you. West BS can´t get in, there just warriors; if they could get in they would have get in already this turn but all they got do was shouting at Khanzalika and co as shown in LA. Let some overseer throw stones at them and they won´t bother with the south gate at all, ignore them as you do intend to do ans we will meet them when we *escape*.
East BS gather around their fallen leader, we do not know what their next move is:
It could be an attack like you think, but it could also be a retreat to cut losses after over 6 hours fighting and losing so many of them plus Golem and Leader - what i think could happen, but i believe they won´t do something for one turn and try to get their leader back on her feet/stay with her to protect her.

But instead of gathering information about their number and movement, you just want to move out 280 of us through the almost broken south gate to some area we know shitz about since this invasion started. Plus we´ve got as good as no combat jobs to protect such a huge movement, with healing in this turn Elif would get Ein'keos BS supplies aka medical supplies, you and your nearly dead warriors would come back and the scouts/harvesters would have gathered info while the rest kept a look at the west BS/gathered ever ada and other stuff together to take with us when we do flee next turn.

Instead that Xenon waste her diplomatic abilities as Anjis nanny or as a packing mule, she should get to the Nals with some scouts as cover help to get them come to aid us. It´s her job to represent us as a clan and not telling us that Nals will 100% kill us, enslave us, absorb us; we and she doesn´t know that for sure and almost all of the clan right now wants to get in contact with the Nals in this or another way.

So i´m not saying we shoudl wait and bow forward to get beheaded, that´s what you put me in my mouth.
Looking at it like this, i could also say that the ranked wants to get us slaugthered like pigs once we step out in this f@cked up state we´re currently in and the BS get´s us from behind and from the side in the open.
Plus i´m not the only one, 16 have voted so far for staying in ther and sending a small group to the Nals in Treys poll. And over 30 are for contacting the nals, so suit yourself and your escape with 280 to the mine while ignoring the Nals.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Meckruco on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:01 pm

james,

tacticly speaking, we lost. kern said this. before Kir did his magic trick for the lady the BS had already delt a very very heavy blow to us. that was a desparation move. now they are gathering around their fallen leader. they have a posability to become very pissed off and charge us and kills us to the last man and woman. any that might survive would become slaves. remember what we did to the Devaka? yeah that is what the BS would do to us.

we must with draw or we will die. that is what i forsee happening.
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Frost Indri on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:11 pm

I don't see an argument for staying beyond emotional attachment and frustration at loosing almost everything we've been working for.

So can we please decide where to go? We need to move, its Sunday, and its time to decide. If you don't want to go to the mine, where do you want to go?
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Re: Leader Archive updated = belly dancing belongs in DD

Postby Lyrthis on Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:31 pm

James Rye wrote:Instead that Xenon waste her diplomatic abilities as Anjis nanny or as a packing mule, she should get to the Nals with some scouts as cover help to get them come to aid us. It´s her job to represent us as a clan and not telling us that Nals will 100% kill us, enslave us, absorb us; we and she doesn´t know that for sure and almost all of the clan right now wants to get in contact with the Nals in this or another way.


I'm with Sen in this one, Xenon should use her skill to talk, rather then walk and if she fears that the Nals will kill/absorb/enslave us... well she's an ambassador, its in her skills to talk them out of it... it may cost us a great deal of our savings, but if any clan would understand us, its the Nals... they where in the same spot at one time, they lost there home too to an attacking clan...

but at the moment she is so set about running that she forgot to think how she could help the clan... meh
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