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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Thaluka2 on Mon May 11, 2009 3:45 am

No apologies for them. If they want to put this behind them, so will we. If not, we have a somewhat tactless and illogical enemy on our hands.

No need to slander the Svarts either. We're not going to gain anything from these Siksa knuckledraggers if we do anyway. We had a deal, we fulfilled it, no apologies. No crying about how the Svarts tricked us into being bad. We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Frost Indri on Mon May 11, 2009 4:57 am

Thaluka2 wrote:No apologies for them. If they want to put this behind them, so will we. If not, we have a somewhat tactless and illogical enemy on our hands.

No need to slander the Svarts either. We're not going to gain anything from these Siksa knuckledraggers if we do anyway. We had a deal, we fulfilled it, no apologies. No crying about how the Svarts tricked us into being bad. We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't.



I agree with this. Don't got much more to add. :p
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Aerisa on Mon May 11, 2009 5:54 am

Frost Indri wrote:
Thaluka2 wrote:No apologies for them. If they want to put this behind them, so will we. If not, we have a somewhat tactless and illogical enemy on our hands.

No need to slander the Svarts either. We're not going to gain anything from these Siksa knuckledraggers if we do anyway. We had a deal, we fulfilled it, no apologies. No crying about how the Svarts tricked us into being bad. We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't.



I agree with this. Don't got much more to add. :p


I don't. First, backing up after pumping a mob(By attacking them, in this case) is pretty much equivalent to suicide. They would have kept on attacking. Hell, I don't recall the comic talking about ANY of them attempting to run away even though we were clearly armed and dangerous! Second, we didn't know much during that battle. We knew what Rhinn had told us: That they were victims of random attacks, and that they had arranged a situation so as to entice an attack; Namely, a decoy going around with only a small escort. When the warriors arrived, they found exactly what they had been told - the Decoy under attack. It didn't matter then whether they were nobles or peasants, they were attacking the Svarts, seemingly without reasons. It's only LATER that we found out we had only been told a portion of the truth(Or a quarter of the truth. Wait, an EIGHT of true!) and that what we did was not as good a thing as we originally thought.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Bamawing on Mon May 11, 2009 6:24 am

Aerisa wrote:
Frost Indri wrote:
Thaluka2 wrote:No apologies for them. If they want to put this behind them, so will we. If not, we have a somewhat tactless and illogical enemy on our hands.

No need to slander the Svarts either. We're not going to gain anything from these Siksa knuckledraggers if we do anyway. We had a deal, we fulfilled it, no apologies. No crying about how the Svarts tricked us into being bad. We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't.



I agree with this. Don't got much more to add. :p


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Actually I think you do. ^^; I think we all do, really. The point isn't that "We should have stopped," the point is "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us."

The only thing that anyone in the clan differs on is whether or not saying "we shouldn't have done that, our bad" is going to come off as either stabbing our ally in the back, or worse, "oh please oh please oh mighty warrior clan don't attack us please please we'll do anything." \

I say we don't need to apologize. We're not there for that. We're there for saying "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us." If they start demanding apology, we'll see what happens then.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Aerisa on Mon May 11, 2009 4:33 pm

Bamawing wrote:Actually I think you do. ^^; I think we all do, really. The point isn't that "We should have stopped," the point is "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us."

The only thing that anyone in the clan differs on is whether or not saying "we shouldn't have done that, our bad" is going to come off as either stabbing our ally in the back, or worse, "oh please oh please oh mighty warrior clan don't attack us please please we'll do anything." \

I say we don't need to apologize. We're not there for that. We're there for saying "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us." If they start demanding apology, we'll see what happens then.


I was actually mostly disagreeing with the "We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't." arguments =p For the apologies as well, because we need to face it: We did something VERY bad. There might have been no good guys in this whole matter, but that doesn't make what we did any more right. So far I get the feeling most people want to build a clan that will be known for it's benevolence and fairness, however this cannot be achieved by saying "We did nothing wrong during this battle" or worse "It wasn't something important, so we can all put it beyond us and move forward." Lives are lives, whether they are our own, that of other clans or the commoner's. That's something the Sik seem to understand pretty well, as harsh as they may be.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Cayen on Mon May 11, 2009 4:39 pm

actually we didn't even have clan status till after the battle. so at best it would of been refugees vs commoners
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Lady Tenkage on Mon May 11, 2009 5:22 pm

Oooof course, the Siksa are blowing up at first sign. For some reason, part of me feels that this is an intimidation tactic. I'm not sure how to go about approaching it. I kinda like the second option someone put in the leader archive. The "We are here to talk. A fued benefits no one." The question is, how do we proceed? Is that the correct phrasing of the words. I do not believe that they will kill our people. And saying "killing the messenger makes you bad" is kinda like saying we're scared of them. I think, in this, we cannot afford that kind of appearance, in the slightest. We have to convey that we are on equal ground with the Siksa, but we did only what we had to, for the clan. They would do no less. We have offered the olive branch. If they feel what we did was unjust, then perhaps they can tell us and teach us why. But, if they refuse to give up the grudge, then so be it- it's on their heads, not ours.

Now... as to the swimsuit contest suggestion... I'm sorry, but I honestly find it stupid, and a little bit aggravating. I don't mean to insult or upset anyone, especially since I started the first swimsuit contest. But when I did that, I never posted it in the leader archive. I just started a thread here in the forums, got some volunteers for the months, Thalar was kind enough to do the beautiful coloring job, and we had fun with it in the forums. Then, as it went on, Kern was kind enough to actually put it in the comic. And yes, it was fantastic. I loved seeing our designs and little side-project in the main comic. It made me all happy inside.

We put a lot of work into the first swimsuit contest, and were rewarded for it. Which is probably why I'm annoyed by it. Especially since I do not feel that this is the time for such a silly antic, with all these other important events going on. But, honestly... please don't suggest something like that, when it's only more work for the artist. That... was really something that should've been brought up in the forums, first, I think. It was careless and whimsical to put down that suggestion, I think. Now, if you're going to start the thread, make the designs, and do the work, that's fine. That, we'd all love to see. But, as I said, I think that should be in the forums, first.

Gah, I'm sorry if I sound like a bitch, it just... really irritated me to see that there, especially with our ambassador in such a tight spot. I won't be going on about it any more, promise.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Scarven on Mon May 11, 2009 5:59 pm

Hmm, well I'd say being honest would be the best solution here. I'm sure Bel will do just fine in explaining the clan's situation. It is the truth and after the what we learned from the Nal'sarkoth ambassador it's sensible for anyone to see the Tei'kaliath were being hoodwinked by the sneaky Svartelos *shakes fist*

And I dunno, while the swimsuit idea was a little out there I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to hold a festival or some cultural event. The old homeland and it's culture was left intentionally vague anyway and it leaves a lot up to interpretation. Ti'ray is a fine example but not much else. It's my opinion at least that we plan for something but as Ys'sa pointed out no work no reward and I've got nothing ^^;

Not sure how relevant this is but since we're lacking actual actions in the LA I would like to throw out the idea of having An'jhali meet up with the Nal'sarkoth ill'har. Sure we've been acknowledged by the ambassador but it would be nice to form better relations with a clan that doesn't intentionally leave out important details }:3 Opinions?
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Frost Indri on Mon May 11, 2009 7:11 pm

Aerisa wrote:
Bamawing wrote:Actually I think you do. ^^; I think we all do, really. The point isn't that "We should have stopped," the point is "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us."

The only thing that anyone in the clan differs on is whether or not saying "we shouldn't have done that, our bad" is going to come off as either stabbing our ally in the back, or worse, "oh please oh please oh mighty warrior clan don't attack us please please we'll do anything." \

I say we don't need to apologize. We're not there for that. We're there for saying "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us." If they start demanding apology, we'll see what happens then.


I was actually mostly disagreeing with the "We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't." arguments =p For the apologies as well, because we need to face it: We did something VERY bad. There might have been no good guys in this whole matter, but that doesn't make what we did any more right. So far I get the feeling most people want to build a clan that will be known for it's benevolence and fairness, however this cannot be achieved by saying "We did nothing wrong during this battle" or worse "It wasn't something important, so we can all put it beyond us and move forward." Lives are lives, whether they are our own, that of other clans or the commoner's. That's something the Sik seem to understand pretty well, as harsh as they may be.


I'm thinking that we knew that somehow the deal had a bad taint to it when we made it. Somehow we knew it was going to be dirty. When we found out that it was, well, we can't act surprised. Lives may be lives, but this is a very dark, very rough world setting; we made our choice when we made the deal, so there's no use crying about it now. We needed the mine and we wanted to avoid a war with the first clan who contacted us. We must accept that we made the choice, we can't distance our selves from it.

In the end I don't know why we would be apologizing to THEM in particular. Its the peasants who got hurt.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Nasfors on Mon May 11, 2009 7:14 pm

I would like to take this opportunity to request that people avoid voting on the suggestions directed at Bel. Please post your thoughts in her thread for review by everyone so that Bel can arrive at the best solution to include in her action. I am trying to help you with this warning- using the suggestion box may have some unintended consequences.
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby PenDragon on Mon May 11, 2009 7:37 pm

Just an aside for those who may not know, I'd like to point out that it has been explicitly mentioned at least once in the Leader Archive that the suggestion box is not a toy and any suggestions made can have consequences attached if they receive votes. Anything suggested in the Leader Archive is the same as a person's character saying it, or doing it.

It's true that the idea of another fanservice-related contest is amusing, but... it's the wrong time, and wrong place to suggest it. ^^;
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Bamawing on Tue May 12, 2009 3:26 pm

Aerisa wrote:
Bamawing wrote:Actually I think you do. ^^; I think we all do, really. The point isn't that "We should have stopped," the point is "we aren't going to make a habit of randomly attacking peasants, we're not going to attack you, and we would greatly prefer that you don't attack us."


I was actually mostly disagreeing with the "We could have walked when we saw we were fighting peasants, and we didn't." arguments =p


I know... I just did a really bad job of explaining it. *blush* *blush* My point is that we all understand that we can't dwell on what we've already done... instead we should move forward.

And as I posted somewhere else... really I think it's Bel's job to announce An'jhali's intention to make contact with this group, and make it back alive. Otherwise, people start using the leadership suggestion box to advise people who aren't An'jhali. (Not that I'm all peeved at the people who did... I'm just not sure how it's gonna be used, and Bel deserves to be in sole control of her character.)
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Re: LA Day 50: Be cautious in meeting with Siska'santi

Postby Selkie on Tue May 12, 2009 4:36 pm

If the Siksa are seen to be an honorable clan, I am really hoping that they hold to their reputation and return our Warriors and Ambassador to us without injury.

As for the LA suggestion regarding another contest... I know some of the newer folks would like to participate in something special, too. I just honestly think that these sort of things, now that the story is really rolling along, are fun bits we can do amongst ourselves, here in the forums, as a community. :) That having been said, before anyone gets the wrong idea, my project and the offer that was made to me is not affiliated with the contest suggestion, okilies? I have enough pressure and just want to do something nice for others here! *doh*
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Re: Event Archive Day 51

Postby Kail'odian on Sat May 16, 2009 1:30 am

New event archive folks.

Just one thing from me for now. What's a Gaz mask? Please tell me its a typo. o_O
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Re: Event Archive Day 51

Postby Kitab Al'Ibar on Sat May 16, 2009 1:39 am

Kail'odian wrote:Just one thing from me for now. What's a Gaz mask? Please tell me its a typo. o_O


No worries, it's a type for the gas masks. It's come up a few times before and Kern mentioned it in the shoutbox earlier, so it looks like Gaz masks for the miners are here to stay. XD
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