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The Mimian Rebels.

Postby 3Power on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:35 am

As everyone who's been reading the EA knows, we recently encountered a group of mimians part of a much larger group hiding out somewhere in the forest.

At this point, we have two real options.

One is to simply find them and either kill or enslave them, probably a little of both. The other is to attempt to bring them into our ama'varde alliance.

Now, for the latter option, we have some pros and cons.

Pros:
Another trade labor option. We could, for instance, dictate that they quarry stone in exchange for our excess mana plant seeds. Or perhaps even the right to live in our mana bubble, depends on how negotiations go and how bad off/numerous they are.
Though one of our captors was decidedly anti-nal, the fact remains that they share a common enemy. The bald slave knows of our connection to the nals but seemed to think negotiation was in the cards.
We seem to ultimately have the advantage here. The general assumption is that their forces are smaller than ours, and mana deprivation has made them weak, we'll gain more information next week, but we definitely have the muscle to back up our threats.
Cons:
They are likely to end up at odds with our other two allies all the same. They did kill two dvergar and it remains to be seen how the leaders will take that.
They're an unknown factor and thus unpredictable, the dvergar were the same way. I'm not going to lie and say it's a no-risk operation.
They want to provoke our neighbor, while we're definitely not going to march to war against mimaneid, this could eventually come back to bite us in the ass.

If there is enough support for negotiation, I'm going to want to launch a diplomatic expedition, if not, an expedition to locate this camp. I'm personally in support of negotiation though.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Tsuris on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:37 am

Well we won't be able to do anything until the war is over, all our warriors are away and if they turn out to be hostile, we could have problems.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby 3Power on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:43 am

Tsuris wrote:Well we won't be able to do anything until the war is over, all our warriors are away and if they turn out to be hostile, we could have problems.

We have nal defenders and thick stone walls if it comes to that. If we do negotiate, I'd like to settle a deal before the time skip though.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Tsuris on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:47 am

3Power wrote:
Tsuris wrote:Well we won't be able to do anything until the war is over, all our warriors are away and if they turn out to be hostile, we could have problems.

We have nal defenders and thick stone walls if it comes to that. If we do negotiate, I'd like to settle a deal before the time skip though.

Well if it's all the same I'd rather our army not come back home to find us under siege :B
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Leonis on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:10 am

Tsuris wrote:Well if it's all the same I'd rather our army not come back home to find us under siege :B


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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby 3Power on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:32 am

Tsuris wrote:
3Power wrote:
Tsuris wrote:Well we won't be able to do anything until the war is over, all our warriors are away and if they turn out to be hostile, we could have problems.

We have nal defenders and thick stone walls if it comes to that. If we do negotiate, I'd like to settle a deal before the time skip though.

Well if it's all the same I'd rather our army not come back home to find us under siege :B

There are at least three reasons why that wouldn't happen.

1. They're mana deprived, so siege is more or less impossible.
2. They' can't have that big of a group, see 1.
3. Delusional or not, they can't realistically win even with our warriors gone.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Leonis on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:40 am

Though one thing that we DO need to remember is that they DO have someone with enough Mana reserves to roast two Dveguar and injure a 3rd. Though would we have not likely killed them in the attack. More info is needed.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby goblin6 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:19 am

I'm against supporting the rebels in any shape or form. They want us to help them fight the ruling clan of Mimaneid, a fight they or us cannot win. Not to mention they killed our dvergar allies, torture Birmingust, stole our supplies and possess irrational hatred for our backers, the Nals. Sure, they promise us a reward for helping them, but anyone can make the same claim until they prove it. I'm willing to listen to what they have to say, but only if we have our warriors around to keep them civil. They did kill two dvergars on sight, drows kill each other for less or sometimes no reason at all.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Pariel on Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:08 am

Actually trey, there might be a third option.

Try to coerce them that their fight is possibly futile and that they'd have a bigger chance trying to live with us and our mana pool as successful surfacer settlers, or go and lose their lives alone, mana deprived and forgotten, hated by every single group so far. The other option is to simply refuse and stubbornly get crushed under our heels.

Argue that the best revenge they can do against mimaneid is simply live on and make a better city in the surface than that underground tree orchard would be anyway.

Also do consider duelling for their leadership aswell. They're mimians.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby laserkid on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:30 am

As fae, they are useful for our mana reserves. I would negotiate harboring them if they can get over their Nal hate, they cause problem we kill /enslave them. The ones who killed the Duagar should be submitted to the Duagar's punishment (likely execution) and politely forgotten about, Amavade's Forest is dangerous.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby James Rye on Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:39 am

I think if we do diplomacy we should do similar with Dvergar. Send a courier to get one of them to follow or a small group of them to come to Ama'varde to act as ambasador like Hrafinn did/Glinn and his two comrades did when it was time for negotions.

But yeah, there are three ways to deal with it, but i doubt that our "active" force is greater than their total ones. We have the advantage of not being mana-deprivated like them though.

For now i think we should ask them all the questions we got.

And we shouldn´t forget to feed them/give them water next turn, else they won´t make it long like our BS prisoners did.
Their prisoners we tortured, if we won´t say we feed them/keep them alive, Thalar will probably see them as NPCs we won´t waste ressources on and will let them die over time.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby METAmarine on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:06 pm

goblin6 wrote:I'm against supporting the rebels in any shape or form. They want us to help them fight the ruling clan of Mimaneid, a fight they or us cannot win. Not to mention they killed our dvergar allies, torture Birmingust, stole our supplies and possess irrational hatred for our backers, the Nals. Sure, they promise us a reward for helping them, but anyone can make the same claim until they prove it. I'm willing to listen to what they have to say, but only if we have our warriors around to keep them civil. They did kill two dvergars on sight, drows kill each other for less or sometimes no reason at all.

Im with him, id rather not have them anywhere close to us, to my characters( and my own), they are not welcome and they might bring the wrath of mimaneid on us if we side with them.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby James Rye on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:19 pm

METAmarine wrote:
goblin6 wrote:I'm against supporting the rebels in any shape or form. They want us to help them fight the ruling clan of Mimaneid, a fight they or us cannot win. Not to mention they killed our dvergar allies, torture Birmingust, stole our supplies and possess irrational hatred for our backers, the Nals. Sure, they promise us a reward for helping them, but anyone can make the same claim until they prove it. I'm willing to listen to what they have to say, but only if we have our warriors around to keep them civil. They did kill two dvergars on sight, drows kill each other for less or sometimes no reason at all.

Im with him, id rather not have them anywhere close to us, to my characters( and my own), they are not welcome and they might bring the wrath of mimaneid on us if we side with them.


Problem is we get the wrath of Mimaneid anyway cause we´re "Nal dogs" for being allied with the Nal'sarkoth.

Which is why the rebels might be, again might be not taken for sure, a good chance to have a Mimian faction who can get friendly to us. Us, not the Nals who supports us. Basically the rebels needs us more than the Mimian empire does. And that need could weight more than their hatred towards the Nals. Which means over time we could get a Mimian faction ally who got lots of drows under his banner.
If we can support them to get them strong enough they might be able to retake Mimian under their, hopefully more Nal or atleast Tei'kaliath friendlier, leadership.

Though for that we need info and maybe a talk of their leader.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby Kran on Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:00 pm

James Rye wrote:Problem is we get the wrath of Mimaneid anyway cause we´re "Nal dogs" for being allied with the Nal'sarkoth.

Which is why the rebels might be, again might be not taken for sure, a good chance to have a Mimian faction who can get friendly to us. Us, not the Nals who supports us. Basically the rebels needs us more than the Mimian empire does. And that need could weight more than their hatred towards the Nals. Which means over time we could get a Mimian faction ally who got lots of drows under his banner.
If we can support them to get them strong enough they might be able to retake Mimian under their, hopefully more Nal or atleast Tei'kaliath friendlier, leadership.

Though for that we need info and maybe a talk of their leader.

Well, if the prisoners' story does not add up then they should be processed into bird food. They sound like a bunch of belligerent idiots.
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Re: The Mimian Rebels.

Postby James Rye on Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:03 pm

I guess that´s bound to happen after x years in the wildness with no mana pool, not good enough food and lotsa propaganda to prevent them from rebelling against their own leader. *hmmm*
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