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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Finish on Thu May 06, 2010 5:06 pm

First of all you have stop coming up with "OMG, ifwestarttoeatpotatobugsitwillaffectourillharandshewillchangeforever* arguments.
Because every time people don't like a option or try to justify there own they say: "It will affect our Illhar!" ; :D

She's a big girl and she has confidence. So let us stop worrying about her and make sure that the TK Clan will grow.
Because if we always worry that we make a bad person out An'Jhali we'll never achieve anything.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Taruna on Thu May 06, 2010 5:12 pm

Skystorm wrote:You all put up good points. Not once did I say get rid of the box because I agree that is the point of us paying money for the game really. What I am saying however is that if at any point she gets separated from us and has to deal with a situation on her own, I'm afraid she isn't strong enough to handle it yet.

She's as strong as everyone else, maybe a little more. We just don't bring her in a situation to be alone, I think.

Skystorm wrote:For the record she didn't own the attack she got stabbed in the arm and someone had to come and save her ass. She put up a good fight though, I just think we need to work on it more. Maybe ask that she has morning Practice every day from now on (And just only once in a while show her doing it in the comic so we stop seeing it all the time... -_-") Also have her practice debating with Xenon and a couple others or playing that card game to keep her mind sharp or start talking to some of the other clans, starting with some more lesser ones. We have...what...one ally?

First of all.. She's -not- a warrior. She was also not armed. What did you expect of her? Killing all attackers left handed?
And training every day might be contra-productive.


Skystorm wrote:It just seems like we don't know what to do with her when we are not fighting. Like we are to scared to tell her to go talk to the other clans or to take her into the city under escort so she can take stock of Chel and maybe get some ideas of what she(we) want the city to be or not be like.(and look for Badai...lol j/k :P) I just think it's an insult to her to treat her like she is going to break at any moment, if anything that shows we don't trust her to lead us. Though I agree she fared fairly well with the clan meeting.

She's a leader and as such required to be present within Ther'avare. But she is already out of the city more often then you concede her here, so we do by no means hide her inside Ther'

Skystorm wrote:I said we would inform her of the fake assassin attempts just not when. The assassin would be marked somehow so EVERYONE would know it was one of ours, even Anj. Though I agree she might start getting jumpy. Also she handled being attacked rather well. She didn't seem to be bothered by the fact that someone was trying to kill her anymore. So maybe we are getting her to be stronger, I'm just scared it's not enough because we are about to start dealing with the big Girls soon.

Just out of curiosity.. what if a real assassin sees this and uses the same trick? And why exactly do you wish her to be a warrior-type of Illhar? I personally prefer a Diplomatic one.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby LazarusRising on Thu May 06, 2010 5:13 pm

Finish wrote:"OMG, ifwestarttoeatpotatobugsitwillaffectourillharandshewillchangeforever"

Well, potato bugs do seem pretty evil. They're potatoes, but they're bugs! The mind, it boggles.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby blackshade10 on Thu May 06, 2010 5:15 pm

I want a bad-ass Illhar......


;3

I think we should have her be multi-talented. ^_^
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Ein'keos on Thu May 06, 2010 7:44 pm

thealbinobutterfly wrote:[u][b]
I see it as such:
any other smaller clans i can deal with, working deals and such, but all major deals and political ties should of course remain illhar-to-illhar.
large clans like the sharen should have anjhali forefront at all times, me standing to her side to advise her as best as possible.

some may argue this is already what should be done, but there was still some confusion on my end until recently. One of the downsides of being thrust into a position without the benefit of being an SIC first, not to mention a fairly grey area kind of rank. To compare, it's not as straightforward as the miners, or the builders. 8P



Just to clarify, what do you mean by this Xenon? Should she be doing foreign policy when you invite her in your actions or should we be using the advice box? When would you consider something major and when minor?
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby thealbinobutterfly on Thu May 06, 2010 10:24 pm

I'm still not quite sure how to go about it, but i aim for it to be more like a situation where anu'ragi came to visit, or the kal'yantra visit. Something where she is forefront to decisions and discussion. This is really, the only way to gauge her standing and progress.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Xalgoz on Fri May 07, 2010 12:33 am

I actually think An'jhali seemed fine and did fairly well in the war, including hacking up the Dva Ilhar with no problems. She's never going to be 100% confident and take-charge, but that would just be Kern running the whole game for us. She's a lot better compared to about 6-7 months ago.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Madea on Fri May 07, 2010 1:32 pm

Xalgoz wrote:She's never going to be 100% confident and take-charge, but that would just be Kern running the whole game for us.


This is an important note everyone needs to be aware of.

Kern will not run this game for us; An'jhali will never be the kind of leader people want to see, because Kern does not want to tell us what to do. She will always delegate/defer to the ranked, as her designated officers, to accomplish tasks, or the clan for grave decisions.

She becomes uncertain/unhappy when we dictated to her what to to directly or force her into things she doesn't enjoy. She responds better when we issue suggestions that show what groups in the clan desire, or give her the opportunity to accept invitations.

If we know what to expect from her, and word our advices accordingly, then the game will provide more satisfying results.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Skystorm on Fri May 07, 2010 3:13 pm

I'm not asking for Kern to take it over completely, that would be pointless. Just think we coddle her a little bit sometimes and treat her like she'll break at any moment. lol. I still really like the idea of during the peace times letting her do some practice with fighting(In a way we don't see it every update. I would like it if she had some sort of either morning prep or evening cooling routine) and some diplomatic banter.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby blackshade10 on Fri May 07, 2010 3:22 pm

Training and diplomatic banter: Things we have done and do. When the warriors train, she is usually offered to train with the Ti'ray champion(Taruna, at this time). We have occasional diplomatic banters but not an incredible amount.

Basically, you want us to do more of both.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby LazarusRising on Fri May 07, 2010 4:38 pm

Skystorm wrote:I'm not asking for Kern to take it over completely, that would be pointless. Just think we coddle her a little bit sometimes and treat her like she'll break at any moment. lol. I still really like the idea of during the peace times letting her do some practice with fighting(In a way we don't see it every update. I would like it if she had some sort of either morning prep or evening cooling routine) and some diplomatic banter.


I think part of the problem is that no matter what we do, An'jhali is going to be somewhat set apart from the rest of us by the nature of her position. The only ways we can meaningfully interact with her are asking her to do things (via the advice box) or following her orders. She may have friends among some of our number, and she tries to be sociable with all of us, but she doesn't really have any peers within the clan. Which is sort of the way it's supposed to be, she's our leader after all, but it doesn't give her much opportunity to exercise the diplomatic and leadership skills we're trying to encourage, and doesn't give us as many opportunities to see her in action when she does.

It would be really nice if we could get a sort of embassy situation going where there are diplomats from other clans in Ther'avare all the time that she could banter with. I know that that Sharen representative is coming, and that is definitely a step in the right direction. With ambassadors from other clans present in Ther all the time, we may have more opportunities for An'jhali to play the political game and develop and show off her skills in that arena.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Skystorm on Sat May 08, 2010 2:49 pm

Finish wrote:First of all you have stop coming up with "OMG, ifwestarttoeatpotatobugsitwillaffectourillharandshewillchangeforever* arguments.
Because every time people don't like a option or try to justify there own they say: "It will affect our Illhar!" ; :D

She's a big girl and she has confidence. So let us stop worrying about her and make sure that the TK Clan will grow.
Because if we always worry that we make a bad person out An'Jhali we'll never achieve anything.


What...potato bugs? huh? How will eating potato bugs affect us other than to make us have more food choices? Well if we make a bad person out of her that attitude tends to affect how the clan grows.

LazarusRising wrote:It would be really nice if we could get a sort of embassy situation going where there are diplomats from other clans in Ther'avare all the time that she could banter with. I know that that Sharen representative is coming, and that is definitely a step in the right direction. With ambassadors from other clans present in Ther all the time, we may have more opportunities for An'jhali to play the political game and develop and show off her skills in that arena.


In other words she needs 'friends' her own 'age'. lol. Just people to talk with that are also leaders and diplomats. The comic where she was talking to the other clan head Kern made a point that Anj enjoyed it.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Ay'elle on Sun May 09, 2010 12:21 am

This next day seems to be a perfect opportunity for An'jhali...She can handle the big Sharen/settlement deal, no problem, while Xenon can handle an important negotiation away from home. We get twice as much diplomatic work done. Whenever Xenon and An'jhali are in the same place, we sort of "waste" one person's skills for that day.
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Re: ZERO Confidence Anji

Postby Ascaladar on Wed May 12, 2010 8:51 am

I also think the situation is much better then a few month ago. When whe made a big mistake with the Svart's effectivly costing us our deal and an Ally in among the Chel's clans, then things appeared very bleak.

Her confidence has greatly improved with the war, because we were really working together. Not only the Warriors and Scouts but all of the Clans divisions and that is the reason why we won, even when we were caught off guard early in the war.

That being said, I think we still have a long way ahead of us. As a clan, as well as with her confidence. The appearance of her being unhappy or indecisive is also a reflection of Kern and a message to us, that he does not like our decisions, or often lack of clear decisions.

So there really is no ZERO CONFIDENCE we are making progress, but PtP is not about instant gratification. :)
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