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War? No War? Discussion

Postby Bamawing on Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:48 pm

I expect Xenon will post her own poll as to whether or not we go to war. In the meantime, we can fight over it here, so we don't clog the voting thread. :)

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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Whizzard on Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:09 pm

Okay, Dva'rakas came to our home and broke our stuff. :[
They came along with a crowbar, beat up our car, kicked our cat and threw a brick through our window.
If we say we don't go to war, they'll be back and will set our house on fire.

That's long story short.

If we don't go to war, it's like ignoring the axe murderer walking towards us. They seem to have had war in mind all time along, they probably think obliterating us is their duty as Sarghress allies and won't listen to reason. They set up that toll booth at our cavern entrance just to cause some damage to us in our relationships with people who might be our friends (like the traders ) or not but who normally wouldn't care about us but would certainly think it's annoying that we let some bastards take their money on our land. And then they came along and attacked us. Whether seriously or to just probe us, it doesn't matter, they attacked us. That's serious. If they didn't want war, they wouldn't have attacked us or would at least have scouted from distance.

On positive side, war would do us some good if all goes well. If we take Svartelos deal, we'll gain their trust again, if we manage to beat Dva'rakas and we'll gain piles of goods and possibly slaves too (which we can sell because right now we have piles of em). And it would send Sarghress either a good or bad message, good if they respect us beating up an ally of theirs who would turn up to be lousy ally. Negative would be that they think they shouldn't ignore this small clan in their war against Sharen.

Another positive thing is that peope dislike Dva'rakas, we would be the good guys in their eyes and it might bring more bussiness to our household, yay!

And war, it's fantastic! It's better entertainment than watching tiktikkis lay an egg every week!
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Taruna on Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:50 pm

A Vote option would have been nice
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[_] I don't care

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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Pariel on Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:57 pm

I advocate for war. These raids won't stop unless dvaraka retaliation capability is throughoutly nullified.
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby minalia on Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:13 am

I vote war once we got a mage squad of at least 4-5 mages well trained. Until we maped the tunnels, located their bases and obtain the information on their numbers of warriors, workers, slaves and so on. Once we get all that info then we can go to war against them without expecting any suprises hopefuly.

A lot of people will see their characters die in this war they may be upset when they see that character then seen in the comic end up breathing their last breath but remember you can always make another character eventualyé ;)

And it's the fastest way to obtain lands, more slaves, money and ressources.
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Exate on Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:20 am

I am slightly in favor of war. Mostly, this is because having to worry about someone attacking us is a giant pain in the ass even when we don't have anyone that we know is out for our blood; leaving the Dvara'ka alone rather than rubbing them out will be a constant headache for months and years to come. Admittedly, it might be a bit of an overreaction to go that far, since at the moment all we've had with them are a couple of border skirmishes, but screw it. Better to be overly bold in this instance, I think; the odds that they'll decide we're too tough of a nut to crack and choose not to bother aren't worth betting on in my estimation.

Is it feasible to wipe them out? Well, maybe not at the moment, given our current level of mana abilities. But declaring war isn't necessarily a statement that we're going to march out immediately; it mostly means that their people are kill-on-sight, that we actively expect them to attack us, and that we will work to bring about their downfall as soon as convenient and practical. I'd be fine with that.


The potential for loot is icing on the cake. The potential for getting our asses kicked (tactically, strategically, or politically) pretty much scrapes that icing off, but hey, we still have cake.
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Ein'keos on Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:36 am

I vote war. It needs to be done. We can't just let them keep nipping at our heels, we'll look weak to the other clans and that will just lead to more war.
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Aeryll on Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:41 am

Ein'keos wrote:I vote war. It needs to be done. We can't just let them keep nipping at our heels, we'll look weak to the other clans and that will just lead to more war.


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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Thaluka2 on Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:42 am

War, this whole scenario seems custom built to give us a manageable enemy to defeat. Might even bump us up another "power level" to whatever is after minor clan. Intermediate clan?
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby kirio on Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:46 pm

I support going to war if it involves taking the Svartelos deal. I think we'll need that information to win this.

I also don't think we'll be given a lot of time. If we don't get moving on this we're going to get nailed again just like with the mess up with establishing an estate. This time I don't think we'll get away from it just with egg on our faces like last time. We'll get hurt and possibly badly. I really don't think Kern will give us enough to train a full squad of mana fighters, though we may get to use a ranked Mana Specialist right away (depending on how much skill Kern lets the new rank start with without training).
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Sukrai on Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:48 pm

I'd say we need more info, but war is probably inevitable... I'd rather just be as prepared before we did so before anything. I made a more detailed post in the War Room about it. Here:

Another question is can we afford to go to war? Do we know how tightly the Dvaraka are allied with the Val'Sarghress or the other clans? Do we know the extent of their forces? Do we know where they get their revenue/supplies/members from? Most might think that these are things that we would find out afterwards, but really, we need to know these things BEFORE we make any decisions to do so. Their guerrilla style attacks might indicate a weaker force, or it could just be bait to draw us in.

Also, if we do... What rules of engagement do we utilize? Keep the fighting out of Chel itself? Use Chel as the battleground? Ruthlessness or mercy? Do we involve other clans or not? I'd like to hear our Warmaster's opinion on these, and whether or not any of it is really feasible given our circumstances.
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Quad'Issa on Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:02 pm

I have posted many times against going to war...
Right now I thing declaring a war and taking Svarts proposal would be too hasty. Just a little bit too hasty in fact.

We have just broken one of the prisoners. He might not tell us wher is the main base, or their outposts, or what are their exact numbers... This is thei military secret and all. But he mos likely will tell us the truth about their relations with Sarghress. And of their motives at attacking us. At least if this toll booth they put in our cavern exit - was it planned beforehand, or was it a hastly desidion.

We are one step from getting an information that might make all the war thing not neccecery. True, this inf also can make the war our best choice.. but still going to war before knowing what info is it - not good.

We can start preparing to war (this will take more that 2 days anyway), but we are better postpone this desidion for a few days - untill we interrogate the collaborating prisoner.

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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Whizzard on Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:06 pm

Some of you are doing it wrong!

You can't say: "I'm for the war if these conditions are met, until then I'm against it!" It still means you are for the war, not against it. Being against the war means that there is no condition you are willing to go into a war. In the end we are going to meet every condition you set for going to war, we won't go running into it blindly. Trust me on that.

Taruna said clearly: She's against the war, the end. She didn't say "I'm against the war because we haven't gotten information from that prisoner yet, yes, the one who just said he'll tell us what we want to know, until we haven't asked, I'm against the war!"
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Bamawing on Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:16 pm

Taruna wrote:A Vote option would have been nice


I know, but I feel like that's Xenon's job. She'll get a thread up where you'll vote yes or no. Patience. In my mind, this thread is more for discussion. Should we go to war, and under what circumstances?

I think a lot, for me, depends on what Mr. Songbird is going to sing. Is he going to give us good directions? Or is he going to be crap? Only time will tell.

I also think Kern wants us to go to war, and that the Divvies are going to be a pain in our backside until we comply. I also think that Kern wants time to be of the essence: if we wait until we get all the info we want, and all the resources we want, we're gonna meet up with some megacrap.

So I don't know which box I ought to check. :L
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Re: War? No War? Discussion

Postby Whizzard on Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:38 pm

I also think kern want's us to go to war. He's been rushing us with it lately. I think the main reason is that he is trying to train us into taking action quicker and more straight because we do everything real slow and discuss stuff endlessly, look what it brought upon us with previous Svarts deal. That's probably why Sharen deals have short timeline too.
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