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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby Whizzard on Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:06 am

...that are not poisonous.
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby waffleferret on Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:37 am

hmm maby we could have "a thing" you know like the Dutan'vir had 'ligr at the end of thier nobles names , the Sarghress have the red dyed hair the sharen have the twin thing the Vol have the under eye stripes the bel have the hair in the face the Val'Kyorl'solenurn have the finger to forehead Val'Jaal'darya have the "we're to good to be looked at" thingy the Kal'Yantra have the long overcoats and high ponytails the Siksa'santi have the hair rap the Svart'elos have the coller....

we could have something cool like that ? maby not something right now but in the future like fingerless gloves or the clan symbol on the bottem of our shoes? prehaphs an event or something we could start that we could be known for?
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby Hetros on Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:30 am

Annual Tir'ay tournament could be an option. Open to all warriors from all clans, throughout chel. Held out in front of our fortress (the big open plane thing). Only rules are you use an unarmed combat style, no mana arts, no armor or weapons. That might be an option for something to make us known... after all, Tir'ay is the ONLY thing that the clan is united upon in terms of style (besides swirlies).

Architecture is mostly utilitarian at the moment. As it should be as we're still getting settled in.

Stories... I could write a -few- but I need a more firm back ground of the old city, where we came from, all that good stuff.

Edit: The thing is... Tei'kaliath kinda had it's cultural reset button hit when we abandoned the old city. Sure, we have old stories and such, but more likely is that we're making the future legends of our clan -now-. What we're doing HERE is the stuff that gets put into the legend books and forms the clan.

You must have noticed. Anji is already being shaped by our past decisions, she's cautious, seeking to preserve us and protect us as best she can. She doesn't fully trust ANY outsider at all, and who can blame her considering what's happened since we came here? See what I mean? This is the time when stuff happens that forges our clan history, either through Anji's personality, or through what comes to pass.
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby waffleferret on Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:35 pm

Hetros wrote:Annual Tir'ay tournament could be an option. Open to all warriors from all clans, throughout chel. Held out in front of our fortress (the big open plane thing). Only rules are you use an unarmed combat style, no mana arts, no armor or weapons. That might be an option for something to make us known... after all, Tir'ay is the ONLY thing that the clan is united upon in terms of style (besides swirlies).

Architecture is mostly utilitarian at the moment. As it should be as we're still getting settled in.

Stories... I could write a -few- but I need a more firm back ground of the old city, where we came from, all that good stuff.

Edit: The thing is... Tei'kaliath kinda had it's cultural reset button hit when we abandoned the old city. Sure, we have old stories and such, but more likely is that we're making the future legends of our clan -now-. What we're doing HERE is the stuff that gets put into the legend books and forms the clan.

You must have noticed. Anji is already being shaped by our past decisions, she's cautious, seeking to preserve us and protect us as best she can. She doesn't fully trust ANY outsider at all, and who can blame her considering what's happened since we came here? See what I mean? This is the time when stuff happens that forges our clan history, either through Anji's personality, or through what comes to pass.


i think a tornament is a GREAT iideal prehaphs we could host something almost like an Elempics thier could be mount rideing , basic fighting, advance fighting, Archery , and othe stuffs and that ideal you just did about the stories of the old city is AWSOME in fact im going to post about it!!! :D

sorry put the wrong word in XD
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby Hetros on Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:39 am

Hun? What idea about the old world? O_o

edit: Though I do have an idea and explanation for how our city was so incredibly isolated >_>;

Island nation back in the old world. We retreated to the underworld, but because there are FAAAR fewer tunnels leading under the ocean depths, it would make it much harder for us to get info back and forth from the rest of the world once we got underground. Thoughts?
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby kirio on Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:56 am

I think that is unlikely, Het.
In the Badai side story the Black Sun clan is identified as the group that attacked the old city. It seems that in addition to our ancestors destroying all known access to the surface to prevent the demons from following them, the city was so far to the north of other underground settlements that there were no trade routes, not even dwarven, orc, or human ones.

The Black Sun clan seems to have found the old city by chance. That is not something they could have done had it been on another continent or isolated island in the sea. It would be something that would happen as the pickings for raids in the south became poor. They would gradually send scouts further and further afield looking for better targets as their victims were destroyed or became too well defended to bother with.

There is also the matter of time and distance during the exile. We traveled weeks, possibly as long as a little over 2 months, on foot, through underground tunnels. The distance to an isolated island or another continent would have required a journey of many months.

And, we met no Dark Sun clan raiders along the way. Had the isolation been caused by a lack of tunnels, we couldn't have avoided running into caravans of loot being brought back from our city and been captured and enslaved. We were in no condition to defend ourselves. The fact that our first encounters with caravans were unrelated to the Black Sun clan suggests that we travelled by a very different route to leave than they did to reach our city. That would not be possible in an island or other continent scenario.
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Postby Hetros on Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:45 am

True enough, if I remember the lore, weren't the light elf cities to the north? So we might even have been RIGHT on the borders. Some of the first to be driven underground. Before even sharess was. We'd be nearer the mountains, so that's more cavern access... the Light elves went up, and we went down (because up for us would've marched us RIGHT into the light elf cities)... and because our city would've gone underground before sharess did, we'd not have heard much about her.

It might ALSO be possible we were one of the few dark elf populations in Light Elf dominated territory that went underground rather than up into the mountains (I mean, the Kyorl are descended from Light elf populations isolated among the Dark Elf nations right? So doesn't it follow it'd have worked both ways?). This might also explain why our skin tone is -slightly- lighter and we're a bit taller. Both traits would've been inherited from the -very- few light elves who'd have interbred over the years. It's just a thought... Kern and the rest would have to tell us how viable such an event would be <_<

That make any sense at all?
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Postby kirio on Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:28 pm

Sounds good except for the skin part. Kern has already stated that the light skin is due to there having never been a war against dark elves in the old city like there was in Chel. We are all much closer in blood to dark elves. That is also why Tei'kaliath are much more likely to have some natural color in their hair.
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby Hetros on Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:16 pm

kirio wrote:Sounds good except for the skin part. Kern has already stated that the light skin is due to there having never been a war against dark elves in the old city like there was in Chel. We are all much closer in blood to dark elves. That is also why Tei'kaliath are much more likely to have some natural color in their hair.


OH! RIGHT! I completely forgot that O_O we really need to compile all this stuff some where o.O
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Postby Whizzard on Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:37 pm

And that makes me wonder why there are no dark elves among us... of course that would mean they would be around 1000 years old and I know well we can't be over 130 years old, but still, it's hard to believe that none of the dark elves survived/followed.
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Postby blackshade10 on Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:42 pm

Whizzard wrote:And that makes me wonder why there are no dark elves among us... of course that would mean they would be around 1000 years old and I know well we can't be over 130 years old, but still, it's hard to believe that none of the dark elves survived/followed.


For the very reason that they would all be 1000+ years old. They would be amazingly powerful, and would have done everything in their power to defend the city, and died trying.
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Postby Hetros on Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:49 pm

Almost every dark elf in DT is as powerful as the Val'Sharess is. That's insanely powerful. The girl could probably power all of the war golems in sharen hands and still cause earth quakes without so much as breaking out into a sweat. So they'd think "HA! Impossible for ramble of young drow to bring us down!"

Further, they'd have been the ones primarily targeted. Most drow don't see Dark Elves as something to revere, but as something outdated. You know how the tainted view those who refuse to taint themselves? That's how most drow view elves born on the surface. They'd likely have been the ones targeted not only because they were the greatest threat, but because of racial hatred.

And then back to the mind set thing, alot of them probably swore they'd never abandon their homes again. The old city was what they had built up from the ruins of their old home, the demon infested pit that they could no longer return too. So many of them probably made oaths along the lines of "I will never abandon my city again." And we know how serious drow take their oaths, why should dark elves do any less?
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Postby kirio on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:58 pm

Whizzard wrote:And that makes me wonder why there are no dark elves among us... of course that would mean they would be around 1000 years old and I know well we can't be over 130 years old, but still, it's hard to believe that none of the dark elves survived/followed.

The limit is 125 and it was established for gaming purposes. There is really no way to explain the cut off story wise. It is a fiat to assure that everyone starts off essentially at zero. With a base population of 20,000 for the old city there is really no way to exclude a full range of ages from the refugees with a plausible story devise. The argument for all the Vals but An'jhali being dead is similarly strained. There should have been well over 100 of them and possibly a lot more after 1000 years of peace added to the fact that Vals get the best of everything and so are more likely to survive.

Mana deprivation doesn't work either or the age limit would have to be 80 or 90 rather than 125 and all the folks in the top end of the range would be showing their age in their appearance, i.e. they would look to be in their 40's (human) rather than looking like they just celebrated their 30th birthday.
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Re: Tei'Kaliath traditions & culture (we need some pimping!!)

Postby Hetros on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:44 pm

kirio wrote:
Whizzard wrote:And that makes me wonder why there are no dark elves among us... of course that would mean they would be around 1000 years old and I know well we can't be over 130 years old, but still, it's hard to believe that none of the dark elves survived/followed.

The limit is 125 and it was established for gaming purposes. There is really no way to explain the cut off story wise. It is a fiat to assure that everyone starts off essentially at zero. With a base population of 20,000 for the old city there is really no way to exclude a full range of ages from the refugees with a plausible story devise. The argument for all the Vals but An'jhali being dead is similarly strained. There should have been well over 100 of them and possibly a lot more after 1000 years of peace added to the fact that Vals get the best of everything and so are more likely to survive.

Mana deprivation doesn't work either or the age limit would have to be 80 or 90 rather than 125 and all the folks in the top end of the range would be showing their age in their appearance, i.e. they would look to be in their 40's (human) rather than looking like they just celebrated their 30th birthday.


Actually, it could be argued that the rest of the city bought time for us to escape. The Val's might have been disliked, but they were quite serious about protecting the city, and so attempted to protect the city with their bad ass magic and moons age tech. It might just be that there were MANY bands of survivors launched, ours happened to have one of the few vals with it to escape. The others either went in different directions (other major cities), had no val and dispersed, or were even hunted down by the Black Suns.

Because our city was so isolated, with small numbers and a significant amount of moons age stuff left there (again: because our civ probably had advanced warning being right on the edge of light elf territory, and got underground before things got REALLY horrendously bad). So the Black Suns won through sheer numbers (and hopefully didn't get too much moons age stuff either). I'm not saying we had -alot- nor on the level of what Sharess had at her disposal, but it was still probably beyond what the people of Chel (barring the Val'Sharess) have. We'd probably have -some- knowledge of this stuff, for example, foci.
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Postby Whizzard on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:54 am

Say, i have wondered for quite some time: who are the Black Sun drow?
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