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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby FSEffect on Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:28 am

Nah, we're supposed to be training you guys anyway.
All the macho talk is appropriate(ish) :D

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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Meska369 on Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:49 am

*is not getting into the conversation but waves about banners for whoever fights*

Go team! :D

Both of you! ^^

or three... *oops*

or four.... :P
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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Bamawing on Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:56 pm

PenDragon wrote:Personally, I don't care if the Svartelos are snakes or not. If I had to punch every moron or arrogant fool who's ever crossed my path in real life I would need surgery to repair the shattered knuckles in both my hands. There are other ways to deal with snakes besides beating them up, and beating them up often is more trouble than its worth.

I honestly hope that negotiations between us and the Svarts are successful if for no other reason than to give assurance that other parts of the collective Tei'kaliath brain besides the ones used for war haven't atrophied and fallen off. Therefore, unless the Svartelos start something by threatening us first (and I mean a REAL threat, not a misconstrued threat) then I say we just leave them alone.


I did have another thought as I was drifting off to sleep last night... I think it might be wise to call their bluff. Say something like, "we can't afford it. Good bye." and then either start again elsewhere or keep going in secret. I do see Lor's point that using war to solve every problem we've got will likely yield undesirable side effects.

On the other hand, I can see a very interesting parallel between the Svarts and the traders that came through earlier. Danikin advocated an attack, in part due to his concern about becoming indebted. Now it appears that we may well become indebted, this time to people we are not at all sure we can trust.

If they manage to give us a good deal on the mine, by all means we should take it. 300 ada, for example, would be reasonable. I don't think they will give us a fair deal, but I'm certainly willing to give them the chance. If they don't, we walk. If they attack, we fight back. in the meantime, we get to know our neighbors. Even if we decide not to fight them now, it'll be good to have allies.

It is a violent recourse, but Drow society is violent. Compared to humans, we're pretty aggressive, but compared to any of the other clans, we seem pretty easygoing to me.
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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Catriana on Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:36 pm

Well, we can always make a deal and find ways to overcome it at a later date. I'm not really keen on warring with this clan just because they're a bunch of sharks. I'll be a pansy for it XD

If we don't go to war, it seems like the best way to go about it would be to try and either negotiate so that we're not paying out our bum, or deal with them as a clan at a later date when we're financially able to do so(Edit: I mean, after the original deal is made). Trying to get a one up on them might prove to be pointless: Sharks are good at their game. :(

If anything, we could use them for information, try and form a loose alliance and scheme our way out of intensive debt (if the negotiations get to that point, which I hope they do not) and call it a day.

As amusing as the idea of telling them to have the mine was when first presented, we'd probably end up getting laughed at more so than anything else. It's an obvious bluff since we've already told them that the mine is very important to us and we need it. They'd call us on it, and that would just suck.
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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Finish on Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:47 pm

I'll post this in the Event Archive and hope someone of An'jhalis escort or Shiir will ready this: If they are not willing to lower the price or show any act of good will, we could play the bastard-card and tell them that if they don't willing to make a compromise we could mention that it would be better to give us a lower price instead of getting back a mine with broken ceilings and full of death Kiri'su. ;)
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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Novusod on Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:48 pm

What is happening now with the negotiations will be out of our hands for the next two updates. I think we should concentrate on getting our homeland defenses in order in case An'jhali returns with tidings of war. This is very important so we will need more of the clan behind it or we will get vetoed again. A lot of good ideas have been posted in the cavern defense thread. It would be a shame if all that work goes to waste because a few people are uncooperative.
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Meckruco on Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:59 am

if you want something posted for a vote, send me a PM. ill put it up.
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Re: Event Archive Day 33

Postby Catriana on Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:14 am

Novusod wrote:What is happening now with the negotiations will be out of our hands for the next two updates. I think we should concentrate on getting our homeland defenses in order in case An'jhali returns with tidings of war. This is very important so we will need more of the clan behind it or we will get vetoed again. A lot of good ideas have been posted in the cavern defense thread. It would be a shame if all that work goes to waste because a few people are uncooperative.


Hmmm...at this point, I'm down for whatever as long as majority rules. I think this is a good idea. Is there much that can be done with the limited resources we have?
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Jeriah on Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:31 pm

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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Bel'xullyn on Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:03 pm

Mais i'm pretty sure those guys will try to run us into some kind of trap .... :A
for asking so much money when it's totally easy to see we don't have such.. :B
it's like trying to run us into debts... i hope An'jhali won't fall for anything that sneaky :c


i guess we should prepare ourself for the worst .. :L
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Finish on Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:32 pm

It wouldn't be that worse If they try to lure us into a debt we can't afford. That means we can say: "Sure, sure. We'll pay everything." And use the time to perpare us for a attack and if they come to collect there debt we just say: "Sorry we have no Ada to you accept steel, too?" and poke them with our weapons." :D
However they wouldn't be become that powerful if they also make contracts with people who never pay there debts: You gain more if people are able to pay. The best thing is if the person has enough money to pay your taxes but not enough to pay the whole debt, but with a small chance to pay everything in the future to keep people quiet.
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Bel'xullyn on Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:43 pm

Yeah .. but if this clan lure others into debts.. :L
what could we do if they ask another clan knee-deep in debts to kill us all to be clear off.. :B
so that they get us out of the way easy without even staining their own hands... :c

Beware :@ this is a prettty ugly situation we could get in
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby FSEffect on Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:38 pm

Alternately we could ally with the indebted clan, form a joint task force and wipe em out.
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Hetros on Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:14 pm

Glad to see that logic won in the end ^^

and no, let's NOT wipe these guys out, these guys are snakes (apparently), but they probably have a few powerful allies... otherwise everyone would bunk out on their debts right?
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Re: LA Day 33, Diplomacy first; fighting is last resort

Postby Bel'xullyn on Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:36 pm

Merci hetros *blush*
my point exactly :3

so i just want that some of us are aware of potential danger lurking in the futur... :B
not that i know what's waiting for us :S
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