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Re: Event Archive Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Hetros on Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:31 am

I'm thinking that the tattoos should be more of an individuality thing... that's the reason Drow die their hair after all, individuality, this would just be that mind set taking a different form. Not jobs, maybe ranks though...

Of course... how many have yall Read "Beat: Vandal Buster", in it, the "adventurers" called Busters, have brands on their chest (right below the hallow of the neck, and almost on the shoulders when they get enough levels), each tiny brand is a level which is to show how experienced a buster they are... what if we use that as a sort of "Ranking" system? you get the marks the higher the rank you are, and if you're demoted, depending on the situation, a different mark would be tattooed over the higher ranking mark. So let's say you're the Warmaster (say Shiir got sick and died from a sudden case of acute ab-strength disorder, where your abdominal muscels get so strong they snap your spine in half when you do a sit up), but you preform so horribly the il'haress demotes you, the tattoo set over the higher ranking tattoo that showed you to be a high ranking person in the clan would be one conveying dishonor, if you stepped down your self upon realizing it's too much, the over-laid mark would be convey something entirely different, even a sort of honor at knowing your limits and having the guts to admit when you can't do something and stepping down for the good of the clan.
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Re: Event Archive Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby horusre on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:40 am

Hetros wrote:I'm thinking that the tattoos should be more of an individuality thing... that's the reason Drow die their hair after all, individuality, this would just be that mind set taking a different form.


((I concur.

Tattooing is almost always an individual distinction, even in primitive tribal cultures (the Maori for instance) each individual wore a variation on the tribal theme. If a tattoo became in vogue for a particular profession I should hope that it would not be something standardized, but more along the basis of variations on a theme. Both Quel and Shiir had/have circular tattoos; and the circle is a very strong and powerful symbol, one of completion and boundless potential, so it would make sense for these to be the basis of tattoos of a warrior caste. Even those that leave such a profession would still feel pride and place within that former caste.

In that light I would agree with this idea. Drow are very individualistic, thus keeping a tattoo on the basis of some personal concept is much more in keeping with the concept of the Tei'kaliath.))

Kirio wrote:The center of Ves'xilé's tattoo is indeed a sun symbol and dark elven in origin, but it's a religious symbol not one related to her former job as a mana teacher/Tir'ay trainer for small children.


((Again, this seems to bear out the idea that a tattoo would be an intensely personal connection to some aspect of self, clan, religious belief, etc. Even if there is some ultimate theme that is attached - the circle as a warrior caste symbol I mentioned earlier - each tattoo is best served by being fundamentally unique to that individual.

A professional symbol would be an interesting Clan affection; perhaps as a mark worn as a piece of jewelry or as an something woven into, sewn onto, or dyed onto a piece of clothing? A pin or a pendant that can be worn and switched out as professions change? Something simple to craft, made in scrap metal that is less than viable for any industrial purposes or ceramics, and with a simple stylized symbol. A hammer for the smiths, a dagger/sword/spear/etc on a shield for warriors, a basket or vessel for the harvesters, a wheel for engineers, an eye for the scouts, a "helping" hand for the healers, an angle for the builders, a spindle and distaff for the crafters, the ideas could go on but I'll not think mine are the only ideas on the topic. I'd envision this would be easier, in the short term, than clothing (as we don't have thread or a loom yet, and dyes seem to be likewise missing).

And I still think the circle motif with some tool that represents the creation of a new world suits the current nature of the Clan.))
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Re: Save a Slaver part 2

Postby Novusod on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:15 am

Poor wounded slavers need a home. If we need a willing nurse to save these slavers we should find out which nurses are willing to vouch on the side of mercy.
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Re: Save a Slaver part 2

Postby Thalar on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:27 am

Novusod wrote:Poor wounded slavers need a home. If we need a willing nurse to save these slavers we should find out which nurses are willing to vouch on the side of mercy.


It's up to each of the wounded slavers to find a nurse to vouch for them, it will not be a community effort, for their statements must come from the heart, not be agreed upon in a group.

What I suggest is that any potential wounded slaver post a plea in either the healing station or make a separate thread, and we'll all have a look.
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Re: Event Archive Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Tohya on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:29 am

Seems no decision has been made on what to do with Quel's body, due to none of the options having a clear majority. Anjhali has again shown her reluctance to eat the dead though. The funeral rites are appoved and will be preformed once we know what will happen to the body.

It would appear that slavers will be enslaved, but the three wounded ones get a chance to join the clan.
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Re: Event Archive Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Pariel on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:33 am

I still vote for the petrification/terracota statue. We don't have fire resources, but we have plenty of earth and Ro'sij knows earth sorcery.
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Re: Event Archive Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Tohya on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:43 am

The clan has access to both fire and earth sorcery, so either one would work. Fire is from the gathers baking the food and the forge workers. Then there would be the question of how much the votes impact it, the more votes one option gets the easier it may be to accomplish. And since all that is needed for the slavers in the healing station is one nurse to vouch for them, it won't be necessary for people to vote on that. Hopefully we won't split the votes so much this time.
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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby kirio on Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:07 am

*lol* Props to Jeriah for getting Ankiseth's practical joke into the comic!
^^; Poor An'jhali! XD

I still support burial in a stone coffin or the equivalent.
We may need the resources (especially the bones) in the future. At least, that way they'll still be available if we need them later.
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Re: Save a Slaver part 2

Postby Novusod on Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:19 am

Thalar wrote:It's up to each of the wounded slavers to find a nurse to vouch for them, it will not be a community effort, for their statements must come from the heart, not be agreed upon in a group.


Non-sense of course it is going to be a community effort. You know it takes a village to do these types of things. Ilrae and Bel'xullyn have already publicly signaled they would vouch for any of the wounded that spoke up. All the wounded have to do now speak up and say something. Don't make this more complicated than it has to be or we will hear nothing but silence out of the wounded.
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Re: Save a Slaver part 2

Postby Thalar on Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:51 am

Novusod wrote:
Thalar wrote:It's up to each of the wounded slavers to find a nurse to vouch for them, it will not be a community effort, for their statements must come from the heart, not be agreed upon in a group.


Non-sense of course it is going to be a community effort. You know it takes a village to do these types of things. Ilrae and Bel'xullyn have already publicly signaled they would vouch for any of the wounded that spoke up. All the wounded have to do now speak up and say something. Don't make this more complicated than it has to be or we will hear nothing but silence out of the wounded.


You mean "it takes a village to raise a child" ? If not I am not familiar with your it takes a village-metaphors. And these are not children, they are people who wounded Tei'kaliath in battle, and got wounded in return. And my point was, they have to make their own statement, they can't just jump onto the bandwagon and say "me too". So you're right, all the wounded have to do is to speak up and say something. But they must speak up.
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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Jeriah on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:20 am

kirio wrote:*lol* Props to Jeriah for getting Ankiseth's practical joke into the comic!
^^; Poor An'jhali! XD

I still support burial in a stone coffin or the equivalent.
We may need the resources (especially the bones) in the future. At least, that way they'll still be available if we need them later.

((Well, seeing the joke retold certainly put things on the other foot for me. I don't know if something got lost in translation or if there was a substantial change in comedic timing, but I didn't find it humorous at all (my personal response was a blank stare). So I'm going to assume that's how others felt about the joke. I'm flattered that it somehow made it into the LA, but I'll be sure not to post anything more in fear it should happen again. At least we got an official answer on how we feel about cannibalism, although given that she's from the upper crust, it comes to little surprise.

As for the burial, if we put it up to another vote, we risk another standstill unless people think they can move a bunch of votes and decide on something. Should we defer the action to the ranked members, we don't have to worry about another standoff. Although I suppose what else are we going to vote on? Perhaps we should have a 'Let An'jhali choose the best method.' option to decide on it.))
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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Rulishia on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:47 am

So, in short: If they don't sell themselves (figuratively speaking) to the Nurse or nurses that they wish to endorse them they'll be left to their own devices and become slaves to the clan.
Sounds kind of like that will be a hard sell to me. The nurses have dealt with the result of the Slaver's visitation (and our subsequent response), so I guess they'll have to be very convincing.

After, and IF these last 3 are accepted, or accept their fates, then we can become the village that Novus/Cerien wants to help aid and rehabilitate them.

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As for Quel's funeral:
It's rather difficult to decide what to do with someone's remains when they leave no last will and testament (yes, yes. I know that's a human thing)
I know that a few of us wish to harvest his corpse for supplies. Not a bad idea, since we believe (apparently) that Quel was his aura and not the shell that remains. However, we still have the problem of remembrance of the fallen. As a warrior this is something that one day may effect myself one day (I certainly hope not though). The terracotta statue idea has some merit but it's just going to take up a lot of space if many other members pass away. Maybe a smaller statue of him (and in the future any other fallen members) can be placed in the main gathering hall.

Hm... One thing I just thought of was something we can do in the main hall:
A mural - a wall of rememberance (kind of like the Vietnam and WWII Memorials in the US).
Something to tell the tale of our past, how we came to be here, and those that we've lost along the way. With each part of the story taking up a block on the wall. I know Lua'nar has her journal, but that mostly her own viewpoint on clan events. I'm thinking of more of a story from the Clan's perspective. Not only that but the names of the fallen can be forever engraved in the walls of our home. Just as they have been in our lives.

As to cannibalism... Well I believe that the Clan has spoken out about that and it's a resounding "NO." Apparently, since we were rather prosperous in our old home that question has never come up before. Probably cremation or some form of recycling to break down the body's elements was practiced in our old home, perhaps we even entombed the dead as Kirio is suggesting . Cannibalism may or may not have been practiced during the Long March, but that seems to be on an individual basis (seems Jeriah/Ankiseth definitely used ANY and ALL means available to survive on the March, maybe...). So far many of us seem to have just left the fallen behind or buried them.

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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Tohya on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:58 am

kirio wrote:I still support burial in a stone coffin or the equivalent.
We may need the resources (especially the bones) in the future. At least, that way they'll still be available if we need them later.


Being underground, it would be unlikely that we would have the space to maintain a large graveyard to allow the use of coffins. So reducing a body to bones or ash for storage in a crypt would take up the least amount of real estate.
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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby horusre on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:18 am

Jeriah wrote:As for the burial, if we put it up to another vote, we risk another standstill unless people think they can move a bunch of votes and decide on something. Should we defer the action to the ranked members, we don't have to worry about another standoff. Although I suppose what else are we going to vote on? Perhaps we should have a 'Let An'jhali choose the best method.' option to decide on it.


((Please, for God's sake, can defer this to the Ranked?!

This whole process is dragging out longer than it should, and for far too long in comparison to the importance of the event. I really don't care if we blow Q up and cart him through the streets of Chel like a Thanksgiving Day balloon, just so long as the situation wraps up and more important matters can be adressed.

Such as voting in a Mana Specialist!
Such as finally taking care of the last of the slavers that refuse to turn.
Such as setting down to establish a firm and fundamental civil/industrial basis, so we may call the ruins our own.
Such as voting in a Diplomat, for the next time some armed force strides out of Chel.
Such as trying to draft something like a constitution, a guideline for the behavior and rights as a Tei'kaliath.
Such as branching out to explore those places that still remain unknown to us.

I'd say there is more than enough for the masses to vote upon. Things far more crucial to the future than how to best honor the meat-sack of the dead.

But really, don't we need to get down to work trying to create the foci? And don't we need a Mana Specialist for that process? Isn't this just a little more important than something that should have been wrapped up in (at MOST) two panels in the last LA?

The ranked knew him best, the ranked have the most reason to honor him, let them figure it out between them and add that to the action one of their number.

Though I get a chuckle out of the concept of sewing him up, filling him with hydrogen, and floating him over Chel. Once someone hits him with the first fireball that would take care of the cremation supporters, and then Chel gets to deal with the smell of fat as it reduces and the soot that would result.))
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Re: LA Updated - Day 15, Mid Day

Postby Kir'ima on Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:23 am

Well, that sucks that the burial was not handled this LA page, because the scouts really need to establish a Chel lookout and start scouting again, which means that they may not be around for the funeral rites of their former leader. I will talk with the scouts and see how they feel about this.

Re: Quel's body:
To be honest, aside from maybe the hair, I think we are to the point where we no longer "need" to scavenge bodies for resources, and any such use would be more ceremonial than practical. So if people are against "using" the body, then let's just figure out how best to honor and dispose of the remains.

Those in favor of cremation:
If you can do it without excessive light, smoke and smell, then that is fine with me. Otherwise I am strongly against it.

Those in favor of burying/encasement in stone:
Lots of time and energy required here, too. I think a simple stone likeness of his face with an inscription of his name on one of the walls of the main hall (i.e. "Wall of Remembrance") would be easier and better. But that still leaves the issue of what to do with the actual body.
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