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Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Gunbird » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:27 pm

Kern mention that if he would redo Moonless Age, Ariel would not have her shapeshifting ability. What do you guys think about that?
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Obyren » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:48 pm

Gunbird wrote:Kern mention that if he would redo Moonless Age, Ariel would not have her shapeshifting ability.


Where did he say that?
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Dalvyserran » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:33 pm

He doesn't like how things turned out regarding that, which is understandable. 2002 was a long time ago.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Gunbird » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:36 pm

Obyren wrote:
Gunbird wrote:Kern mention that if he would redo Moonless Age, Ariel would not have her shapeshifting ability.


Where did he say that?


He said that on last weeks live-stream.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Obyren » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:21 am

What was the context?
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Dalvyserran » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:47 am

What do you mean? The intent is simple: time changes and so does the world setting. Things that were once thought as ok are now regarded as a regrettable decision.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Obyren » Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:52 am

Dalvyserran wrote:What do you mean?


As in, what led to Kern saying that. The question he was asked, if he was answering a question. What the conversation was.

It just sticks out since I don't picture what Ariel's direction would be without shape-shifting.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Junglefowl26 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:12 am

How odd, considering that Ariel's shapeshifting became more powerful and prominent lately - he could have mostly ignored it and focused on Ariel's air abilities and skills as a warrior. Heck, I still think of her as a warrior first and foremost.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby partner555 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:55 am

OP? She can disguise herself as others though success is a bit dependant on well she knows the person she disguised herself as, how well the person she's hoping to fool knows the person she's impersonating and a bit of luck.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Gunbird » Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:36 pm

I was asking him his opinion about the hate that she getting from some people. After he answered he mentioned about the do over. Were you on the stream, Obyren?
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Dalvyserran » Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:59 pm

partner555 wrote:OP? She can disguise herself as others though success is a bit dependant on well she knows the person she disguised herself as, how well the person she's hoping to fool knows the person she's impersonating and a bit of luck.



She can:

Disguise herself on the fly
Heal torn flesh and broken bone
Shift herself to look taller and bigger when she barely has any extra mass
Use her hair as an extra limb
Use her hair to glide
Absorb biomass to morph herself

Now compare these to kharla and yuhle high sorcery and you'll know why it's a regrettable decision
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby ActionKermit » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:54 pm

I remember it being said once that innate sorceries have catches -- the stronger the sorcery, the more severe the trouble caused by the catch can be. We saw during the dinner at Felde that Ariel can have 'fits' if she gets overwhelmed by pain, and Snad snapped her out of it using what looked like summoning (compare with Kharla's summoning here). It might be possible that a trained summoner who's aware of that weakness could trigger one of Ariel's fits at will. If that's true, given that summoning is particularly widespread among the Sharens and Nids, she could wind up having serious problems fighting the Vels effectively unless she strikes from concealment and retreats before the heat shows up.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby partner555 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:55 am

Dalvyserran wrote:
partner555 wrote:OP? She can disguise herself as others though success is a bit dependant on well she knows the person she disguised herself as, how well the person she's hoping to fool knows the person she's impersonating and a bit of luck.



She can:

Disguise herself on the fly
Heal torn flesh and broken bone
Shift herself to look taller and bigger when she barely has any extra mass
Use her hair as an extra limb
Use her hair to glide
Absorb biomass to morph herself

Now compare these to kharla and yuhle high sorcery and you'll know why it's a regrettable decision

That it has more applications than Kharla's and Yuhle's high sorceries?
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby Dalvyserran » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:44 pm

That it has more potential to be exploited as I-win type plot devices.

Yuhle's and Kharla's high groceries are the reason why those characters exist in this story; it is their central focus. They are also designed to do one specific task, unlike Ariel's. Yuh'le can't heal herself even though her high sorcery is a combination of blood and empathy. Meanwhile, Ariel can with her blood/bone high sorcery.

Ariel's high sorcery is no longer her focal point, just a cheap tool that has been used to weasel her way out of tough situations one too many times. It is apparent and it's made readers call it out for being unbelievable, unrelatable and broken. It's brought contention & awkward situations before, and it caused Kern to have to explain how it works to understand what happens in a scene--because nobody freaking knows what's going on. You KNOW what's happening when kharla's aggressive empathy strings come out, but Ariel's hair trick agains Kalki isn't so obvious.

So one can see why Kern might wish Ariel's supernatural abilities hadn't gone so far.
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Re: Is Ariel's shapeshifting is OP?

Postby partner555 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Dalvyserran wrote:That it has more potential to be exploited as I-win type plot devices.

Yuhle's and Kharla's high groceries are the reason why those characters exist in this story; it is their central focus. They are also designed to do one specific task, unlike Ariel's. Yuh'le can't heal herself even though her high sorcery is a combination of blood and empathy. Meanwhile, Ariel can with her blood/bone high sorcery.

Ariel's high sorcery is no longer her focal point, just a cheap tool that has been used to weasel her way out of tough situations one too many times. It is apparent and it's made readers call it out for being unbelievable, unrelatable and broken. It's brought contention & awkward situations before, and it caused Kern to have to explain how it works to understand what happens in a scene--because nobody freaking knows what's going on. You KNOW what's happening when kharla's aggressive empathy strings come out, but Ariel's hair trick agains Kalki isn't so obvious.

So one can see why Kern might wish Ariel's supernatural abilities hadn't gone so far.

Now I understand the situation better. Thanks for explaining.
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