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Chapter 54 : page 129

Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Kern » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:00 am

With no chance to escape and the only mean to continue resisting involving killing a former ally, she does the only thing that can stop the bloodshed.
If you can't win, then you have to cut the loss. At least thats part of what is going through Ariel's mind. Also some guilt really, she doesn't like being noble anymore than Quain was.
Some people thought Kyo words would somehow sway the enemy back to unity. hopefully they didn't expect them surrending. Back in chain it is!
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Ardan Styyx » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:09 am

So all this was a huge waste of lives and goods.

Congrats.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Pitdragon » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:09 am

His first panel words kinda make me think Kor wasn't covering for his mother the last few pages - he really believes what he is saying, really believed that Machike was cutting contact first and now causing issues. So this move could be beneficial to Ariel beyond just saving her friends' hides. That pause last page wasn't him realizing he was caught in a lie, it was him weighing what she said. He went into "well, already sunk cost into this" mode with his reply because he knows Ariel's got an honesty streak a mile wide. His heart wasn't in the hunt, but he hunted because it was what was best for the clan. Her doing this shows she also wants what is best for the clan (regardless if their ideas of what that is are different).

So if Sang demands her head... he's gonna hesitate, probably even argue against it. If she wants to turn Ariel over to others (like Snadhya, if it turns out she is way in the Nids now), he'll be against it. Because this action shows Ariel WANTS unity, even if it costs her freedom or life. If she had gone into Quain mode it would have invoked a stubborness in all around her because she isn't Quain and aping her grandmother wouldn't appeal. A little touch of Mel here weirdly may go further.

At least, that is how I'm reading this. It'll be hard for Kor to go against Sang, because in this society Mothers' words are final, you follow even if it leads to ruin. That's the side of it that our little Bear didn't address, but it is the elephant in the room. One that motivated the likes of Snadhya and lead to a lot of clan turmoil across the Underworld, even as far as the Belds with our little wanna-wear-pink renegade that caused so much harm. Something's gotta give, or the cycle just continues. And while Quain believed it always would, it likely can be altered or broken with the right realizations. Kor DOESN'T have to follow his mother, the Sarghress ideals are compatible with that notion, but she has to give him a reason not to, one strong enough to break that tradition and look to the reality of what is happening and what needs to happen.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby El Bandito » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:22 am

Time for Ariel to go back to the clan and finally lead it, instead of running away from it.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Najah » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:24 am

You know what! Do it Ariel, challenge Sang. Call her out and challenge her for the leadership! With all of these witnesses!
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Basileus_Ioannis » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:33 am

Wouldn't it be the sheet if Sang, following some unseen puppet master, DOES try to have Ariel and her followers executed, and THE NIDS come in and rescue them? o_O Because the Sangress are being used to apply pressure on the elusive Ariel and company, and when the quarry surrenders, the Sangress are no longer required. Being anti-Vals, they would then have no value to Empress Snadhya whatsoever. I pity the Sangress at that point, because while the dragon might have designs on Ariel, the commoners filling the ranks of that clan will be worth somewhere between jack and sheet in her eyes *upset* Meanwhile, separate Ariel from Kel'noz, and use Mel to wear her down, and Snads might be able to get her to start seeing things her way (and not the Sangress way, because "you know they tried to kill you dearie" :3 a totally valid comeback would be "so did you dearie" *bigsmile* and Mel would be like "when was the last time you bathed?" *hmmm* and Ariel would shoot her one of these --> *rolleyes* )
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Junglefowl26 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:47 am

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

No doubt one of the hardest decisions Ariel ever had to make - people talk about the courage to keep going on, but sometimes it takes more courage to give up, especially for a reckless warrior like her.

Especially in a situation like this where you can't be sure the enemy is even going to accept a surrender. Let's hope there remains some small shred of honor in the legion's ranks, or else it would have been better to go down fighting.

I mean, I am little disappointed Ariel didn't kill any other Sarghs, cause - gurl, there are some Sarghs who deserve to die every bit as much as any Nid, or poor Feldian militiamen defending their home. In particular, Chiri's village should be avenged, and Ariel has other allies on the surface who need protecting.


But to got more Dolyist for a second here - this is pretty interesting,* I wonder where things are going to go from here. Is Snad going to try to bring Ariel around to her side one last time, or will she do some kind of big show trial for Ariel in Chel. And is Ariel going to have everyone surrender, or will she try to make a deal to trade her life for theirs?
* Though admittedly I can see some feeling like this makes the last few chapters a waste of time, because the result is the same as if Ariel had surrendered earlier.

Ardan Styyx wrote:So all this was a huge waste of lives and goods.

Congrats.

That's life for you - sometimes you lose. You roll the dice, and you get a snake eyes. You make the sacrifices and take the risks, and get nothing in return.

And accepting that it was a waste, that it was for nothing, is the hardest thing of all. But it can be necessary. The sunk cost fallacy has a siren call, but it is a fallacy for a reason.

(If anything, they should have surrendered sooner. They were gabbling on getting the Nids and Legion to fight while making a quick escape, but with the airships shot down and their enemies working together, the gamble had failed and further fighting would be only for the sake of going down fighting.)
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby katrover » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:51 am

Oh goddessdamnit.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby sunhawk » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:56 am

Ariel should just absorb Sang into her body. The added mass will make her properly huge enough to lead the Sarghress.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Tempestfury » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:32 am

... We still have an airship set to explode, and a demon gate on the verge of collapse.

Somehow, I don't think Ariel is going to be in chains for long.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Ardan Styyx » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:36 am

Junglefowl26 wrote:That's life for you - sometimes you lose. You roll the dice, and you get a snake eyes. You make the sacrifices and take the risks, and get nothing in return.

And accepting that it was a waste, that it was for nothing, is the hardest thing of all. But it can be necessary. The sunk cost fallacy has a siren call, but it is a fallacy for a reason.


That's not life. That's a comic. You know, the kind of stuff where good guys beat the bad guys eventually...

There's still hope for a twist in the desperate situation thanks to the demon gate+zombies+airship nuke, but those stuck inside the tower are unaware of that. We'll see.

In the meanwhile, all this Sarghress inner struggle is kind of boring, and seems totally out of the place WRT the big picture. I thought Ariel and co. were beyond this notion of "clan". Surprising how it comes back on the table while a good bunch of the Wolfpack is composed of non-Sarghress who probably don't give a shit about who is leading the Mercs. And I am not even talking about the Mimians who probably couldn't care less if they were still alive.

What's really at stake since chapter 51 is which model of society will prevail in the end : the Wolfpack-type trans-clan communities or the trans-clan demon-infested Nids. In both cases, the notion of clan or Val are not relevant anymore.

So yes, getting the Mimians slaughtered, Felde ravaged and countless side casualties for, at the end, a question of who is leading the Sarghress is a f.....g waste. At her level, Ariel is probably taking the only sensible decision is this situation, but I think we really miss the point here. The point being beating the Nids. Not what's left of the pathetic excuse of a clan that was the Sarghress.

Meanwhile, in the 9th tower of Orthorbaae...
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Doom Chinchilla » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:56 am

How come nobody has mentioned how SANG IS ACTING AS SNADHYA'S PET DOG!!!!? PURGE ALL VALS MY ASS!!!!!

I give up... make the demon gate and exploding aircraft kill them all... those idiots don't deserve to live...

Junglefowl26 wrote:That's life for you - sometimes you lose. You roll the dice, and you get a snake eyes. You make the sacrifices and take the risks, and get nothing in return.

And accepting that it was a waste, that it was for nothing, is the hardest thing of all. But it can be necessary. The sunk cost fallacy has a siren call, but it is a fallacy for a reason.

(If anything, they should have surrendered sooner. They were gabbling on getting the Nids and Legion to fight while making a quick escape, but with the airships shot down and their enemies working together, the gamble had failed and further fighting would be only for the sake of going down fighting.)


Or they could, you know, have escaped as far away as they could...

Surrendering to Snadhya is never an acceptable choice...
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Irae Maeviir » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:09 am

Well, I wasn't expecting this, surrendering is not a good option when the guy you are surrendering to wants your death...
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Medrex » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:22 am

Yeah, this is kind of the only option really.
They've just lost too much at this point. Airship is down, too many allies are dead, what's left of them are separated, escape routes are blocked and at the end of the day they're fighting their own people because of what appears to be a (sadly successful) nid plot to make the Chelian sarghs paranoid and desperate enough they'd actually accept the hypocritical mindset of killing their only Val because "death to all Vals" when said Sargh Val is actively fighting their actual long term oppressors. It sucks they try and wield that title against her like a mark of shame because for her in particular it's only ever meant duty and almost never meant perks. The average second gen Sargh had a much better childhood than Ariel did.

Despite what Kormaril says though at this point it doesn't look like Sang is leading the Sarghs, she's just keeping them afloat by whatever means she can.
I can only hope this eventually leads to a positive outcome for the clan but for the immediate future I foresee some rough treatment for Ariel.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 129

Postby Ichi_Jigoku_Flujo » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:48 am

While this is nice and all, there is two well very important things a lot on the forum seem to be glossing over, the Demon Zombie pokalipse below, and the soon to be large Airship boom! So this ain't going to play out like Ariel thinks it will play out. Also another note, perhaps another thought that is in Ariel's mind is well her "children" and Faen, cause well if she just "escaped", their safety would not be a guarantee.
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