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Chapter 54 : page 125

Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Ethanial_F'dian » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:18 am

FAEN: I will now give you empathy and morals ^^;
BAE: NOOOOOOOO! *crying*
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby vlashrod » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:26 am

sunhawk wrote:Are any of the Nids decent mothers(drow standards)?


Yes. Mel, Yuhle, Sasi, Adira and Nehle.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby evilmike » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 am

Came for the Scanners reference.


Left satisfied.


*lights up a Camel. And a cigar.*

*reloads the .50 cal*

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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Ardan Styyx » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:15 pm

vlashrod wrote:
sunhawk wrote:Are any of the Nids decent mothers(drow standards)?


Yes. Mel, Yuhle, Sasi, Adira and Nehle.


Errr, it's ironical, ins't it? o_O

I mean, I do agree for Mel (though she could not technically raise any of her children) and Nehle.
But Adira... *hmmm*
And Sasi... *doh*
As for Yuhle... well, when you see the kind of child she had, I wouldn't be so sure about that :x
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Moric » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:06 pm

vlashrod wrote:
sunhawk wrote:Are any of the Nids decent mothers(drow standards)?


Yes. Mel, Yuhle, Sasi, Adira and Nehle.

First, Adira and Sasi have kids? News to me. Also, Adira is an actual Nid or just Feldian nobility?

Regarding Nehleanee, we don't have too much information, even if going by official concepts. Telling her daughter to hide for safety during a battle is a very low bar to clear, though drow motherhood is also a very low bar. Even so, Shelaan'rel seems to be within the norm of one of Zala'ess's blood descendants.

Yuh'le was an outright sociopath. Niphrendil is a maniac, which could be due to nature and/or nurture. We don't know what Niph's upbringing was like, since Yuh'le could have easily been simply instructed to raise the child, and would have done so, stoically and dutifully. Unless her (not perfected) tainting was some outside accident, punishment, or whim of Snadhya's, I'm pretty sure that alone disqualifies.

Perhaps Mel could have been a nurturing mother, but my complaint against her stands. She's an emotivistic, hedonistic brat, no matter what her high ideals may be.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby vlashrod » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:35 pm

For Mel : Even if all of her childs were taken away from her by Quain and even if she never had the chance to raise them, to me it's a decent mother, caring for her childs and their well-being. Even Ariel had some advices from her and she praised her for the promotion to raider. She wants her family back, to live with one even if she is a independant person (mostly because of Quain).

For Yuhle : yes, her and Niphi were very specials in terms of sociopaths. Niphi is an adopted child but Yuhle, even if she coulnd't tell the bad and the good, behaved well for Niphi. She was "a sort of" good mother for her, in a wrong way but still, she tried her way.

Sasi have a kid yes, shown on concept and main story. And even if she was a sadistic pair with Kalki, she seems to be a caring mother when her child was with her.

Adira has 5 kids (on her lore). She seems to be a decent mother by drows standarts, even if she's on the Nids side.

As for Nehle : Shelaan came into a chapter of battle and it was unintended from me. Nehle's background, as you can read on the wiki or in the the forum thread about cameo brainstorming, shows her as a very caring mother. Both the mother and the childs are in the norm of Zala's descendants (just as you said). I just wanted to show her as a good mother even if she is a Nid but the scenario of chapter 52 decided of the scenes by itself.

So yes, for me, even the Nids can be decent mothers.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby SzordrinZaphresz » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:33 am

Black Knight LeFreux wrote:
Ardan Styyx wrote:Well, I have to admit after complaining on Faen's passivity, I now admire her self control and ability to stick to her non-violent behavior.
Let's hope this scene will end with nobody getting anymore hurt.


Given the "you're no different from her" said by the former slave, I wouldn't bet on that.


I believe the statement was directed at Bae who is very much acting like Ash right now. Still, I think avoiding violence right now is a real impossibility. Even if Faen manages to get Bae to stand down, there is still a Sang-worshiping, Snad-happy legion of Sarg just outside that room...
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby PSadlon » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:23 am

And to be fair Mel is only relatively recently a Nid, by association. She isn't a summoner and she is not tainted. That said she's completely loyal to Snad at this point.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Thrair » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:48 am

vlashrod wrote:Sasi have a kid yes, shown on concept and main story. And even if she was a sadistic pair with Kalki, she seems to be a caring mother when her child was with her.

Adira has 5 kids (on her lore). She seems to be a decent mother by drows standarts, even if she's on the Nids side.


Oh, damn. I missed the kid on Sasi's concept. Didn't know they appeared in the main story. Will have to double back and check.

And where's this bit about Adira havin' 5 kids? I ask for ze Wiki.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby ohriniel666 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:40 am

How hypocritical *doh*
Faen has never been a mother. She have never given birth. *eek*
Since when did playnig with stolen children considered to be motherhood?
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Aurawyn » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:21 pm

ohriniel666 wrote:How hypocritical *doh*
Faen has never been a mother. She have never given birth. *eek*
Since when did playnig with stolen children considered to be motherhood?


You don't have to give birth to a child to care for it as your own.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby ohriniel666 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:16 am

Yeah.
But this is the audacity to declare stolen children her own.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Moric » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:24 pm

ohriniel666 wrote:Yeah.
But this is the audacity to declare stolen children her own.

Meh, having spoken with a foster mother, it's more complicated...
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 125

Postby Junglefowl26 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:58 pm

In any case, Faen's stance is a weird one to take because this comic is a pretty clear demonstration that being a mother does not automatically make one a good person.

Even many of the good mothers are still awful people. Like Zala - awesome mom (to her biological kids anyway) but she did betray the rest of her family, and started a war by kiddinapping her own people to use as golem fuel or demon chow for a suicide attack, also hoarded and destroyed food deliberately to contribute to the food crisis in Chel.
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