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Chapter 54 : page 122

Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Ardan Styyx » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:26 pm

Dalvyserran wrote:Is Ash'waren really worth saving?


Well, with the potential immortality they carry, old Faes like her should probably disappear eventually, if only to let the world move on and evolve. But despite her being obviously too old for her own good, she did not fall into the deviant craziness of Snad or Asira.
However, if "an old man dying is a library disappearing", what one shall say about a millennia-old elf? B)
Maybe this episode (and a saving by Faen) could serve as an electroshock, the kind of what Diva experienced when she "died".
Providing she survives the coming pages, of course. ;)
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby 'Lement » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:36 pm

I think she is for now, but I'm Sul'biased.

Short term, they're still being attacked by a squads from army right now - an army that just took down Kel'noz (money's out on Kel'zomby, though). Bae could bank on Bae'rali being known and accepted member of Feldian forces, but they saw her helping - it's a risky bet. Well, if your goal is to bring about Sullisin'rune dominion, some things are worth risking for.

Long term, though. Even with rose-coloured interpretation (I wonder how Mel sees Snadhya?), the mounting internal tensions have culminated in her de-facto expulsion from the clan ("if it hadn't been you leading the Sullisins!")....Is what I'd like to say.

But there's some holes in "three and half years of no contact". Kel'noz having runners to contact Sarghress, Machike growing creater....

Heck, two of the people on this page should know the situation in Chel. Bae and Quill both.

"If Felde is bad, how terrible is Chel?"

"I have no words that can encompass the failure you are!"

If there is no contact with a clan leader, is this because her term is up...

...Or because Sullisin'rune clan has gone tits up?

PS: I note Ashie-poo is still drawn with dark skin.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Moric » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:51 pm

Ash has been worse than useless since Ys. Even then, she's a super-powered dolt who never actually tried to use her powers to their fullest, or even adequately.

It would seem that after spending centuries trying to break the Sharen hegemony, Ash'waren finds that she is hopelessly conditioned to life within that hegemony, now that it is broken.

Faen's inaction, though true to her nature, pretty much eliminates any previous signs of character growth, one way or the other. Perhaps she will surprise us, but Faen is really good at being ineffectual.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby sunhawk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:03 am

So did Snad's machinations work as desired, too well, or backfire completely?
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Dalvyserran » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:53 am

Ardan Styyx wrote:
Dalvyserran wrote:Is Ash'waren really worth saving?


Well, with the potential immortality they carry, old Faes like her should probably disappear eventually, if only to let the world move on and evolve. But despite her being obviously too old for her own good, she did not fall into the deviant craziness of Snad or Asira.
However, if "an old man dying is a library disappearing", what one shall say about a millennia-old elf? B)
Maybe this episode (and a saving by Faen) could serve as an electroshock, the kind of what Diva experienced when she "died".
Providing she survives the coming pages, of course. ;)


Ash'waren is slowly dying herself, due to needing more mana than a population can support, at her age
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Moric » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:25 am

Dalvyserran wrote:
Ardan Styyx wrote:
Dalvyserran wrote:Is Ash'waren really worth saving?


Well, with the potential immortality they carry, old Faes like her should probably disappear eventually, if only to let the world move on and evolve. But despite her being obviously too old for her own good, she did not fall into the deviant craziness of Snad or Asira.
However, if "an old man dying is a library disappearing", what one shall say about a millennia-old elf? B)
Maybe this episode (and a saving by Faen) could serve as an electroshock, the kind of what Diva experienced when she "died".
Providing she survives the coming pages, of course. ;)


Ash'waren is slowly dying herself, due to needing more mana than a population can support, at her age

Well, we aren't sure how many drow she would need to be nearby to prevent aging. The Moons Age suggested that truly ancient queens required escort of armies in their midst, so I am thinking that Ash was already in rough shape with only a couple hundred Wolfpack around her. A few thousand in Machike was presumably enough to support her aura for three years.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby sunhawk » Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:14 am


Ash'waren is slowly dying herself, due to needing more mana than a population can support, at her age

Well, we aren't sure how many drow she would need to be nearby to prevent aging. The Moons Age suggested that truly ancient queens required escort of armies in their midst, so I am thinking that Ash was already in rough shape with only a couple hundred Wolfpack around her. A few thousand in Machike was presumably enough to support her aura for three years.


Lioshi Kyorl'solenurn is a Moons Age light elf. He has aged considerably because he lives on the surface around a handful of kyrol.

Last time we saw the true Ash. Right after that giant sharen golem attacked the Sarghress and Quain'tana's adopted daughter tried to kill her. Ash looked like a dark elf in the prime of her life. That event was a short time ago by elf time scale. So I imagine the mana deprevation is not a factor yet.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby SzordrinZaphresz » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:37 pm

sunhawk wrote:So did Snad's machinations work as desired, too well, or backfire completely?


All of the above.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Moric » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:55 pm

SzordrinZaphresz wrote:
sunhawk wrote:So did Snad's machinations work as desired, too well, or backfire completely?


All of the above.

1. Diva'trika wanted a council of eight clans plus the Sharen Clan to completely obey the Sharen Clan. Also, that all of Chel would grovel and worship Sharess, if only to prop up the Sharen Clan.

2. Koma'lawen, Ash'waren's mama, couldn't stomach such a vision.

3. Diva'trika killed Koma, all her sisters, all her daughters except Ash'waren, and forced Ash to kneel to Sharen supremacy.

4. Ash'waren, knowing that empathy and combat won't succeed outright, spent 400 years undermining the Sharen with diplomacy.

5. Quain'tana, with Ash'waren's political support and a whole lot of dead assassins, takes a seat as a major Clan.

6. Snadhya'rune hates Diva'trika. She also is hot for her special students, including Mel'arnach (daughter of Quain'tana).

7. Eventually, Snadhya'rune decides to destroy the Clan system and take over as a totalitarian despot.

8. Nidraa'chal War (Snadhya'rune plot #28,152.3 - Section 47F, Revision N) cripples the Sharen. (Ash and Quain say "hooray!")

9. District War obliterates the Sharen, at great cost. Other clans not happy. (Quain says "hooray!", Ash says "Ummm....")

10. Ash'waren goes into hiding in Machike.

11. Quain'tana is poisoned, dies in Sarghress Civil War.

12. Ariel survives, along with 2/3 of her siblings. Snadhya is secretly pissed.

13. Chapter 52 happens.

14. Battle of Felde.

So, Ash'waren's dreams came true, until they became a nightmare. Snadhya's dreams also came true, until her lover's brat made a mess of things.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Tempestfury » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:03 pm

Yeah... situations like this are a little... well, messy in how many different shades of gray they are. From what I can tell... Ash isn't the nicest of individuals for sure and definitely has some pretty big issues. But at the same time, I don't think she's so bad and horrible that I would be calling for her flat-out murder, especially when she's on the protagonists' side.

So I'm expected Faren to step up and save mummy soon. Honestly, I think she's still a little shocked by the rapid turn of events.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Seraphiel » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:36 pm

Plot twist: Ashie is saved by Snad herself. *lol*
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby SzordrinZaphresz » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:34 am

Seraphiel wrote:Plot twist: Ashie is saved by Snad herself. *lol*


Where IS Snad, BTW? She's not in the city, and she wasn't in any of the colonies on the surface.

She wasn't in Chel either, was she?
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby sunhawk » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:53 am

SzordrinZaphresz wrote:
Seraphiel wrote:Plot twist: Ashie is saved by Snad herself. *lol*


Where IS Snad, BTW? She's not in the city, and she wasn't in any of the colonies on the surface.

She wasn't in Chel either, was she?


Snad is playing dead since Nishie attacked her.

Only Zala'ess and a few nids know better.
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Re: Chapter 54 : page 122

Postby Moric » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:26 am

sunhawk wrote:
SzordrinZaphresz wrote:
Seraphiel wrote:Plot twist: Ashie is saved by Snad herself. *lol*


Where IS Snad, BTW? She's not in the city, and she wasn't in any of the colonies on the surface.

She wasn't in Chel either, was she?


Snad is playing dead since Nishie attacked her.

Only Zala'ess and a few nids know better.

No, Tiny Salad knows, as well as a fair number of Val'Nal'sarkoth. The Jaals are rather heavily involved in Snadhya's business. Sang isn't chasing Ariel with an assault legion for health. Waes'soloth either has insanely good intel networks, or a wholly uncanny perception to intuit secrets. I expect some Kyorl seers, especially Anahid to have an inkling of events.

Lastly, Snadhya needs at least a dozen insane plots going solely for survival. You and I breath air, she breathes intrigue and murder.
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