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Chapter 51 : page 29

Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Metzger » Fri May 05, 2017 8:13 am

Tsakta wrote:I MISSED YOU VAELIA!!!

Man, Ariel has the unambiguous best-dad for a father and the unambiguous best-mom as a surrogate mother figure. If Octarya can grow up under their parenting influence...

ALL HAIL OCTARYA VAL WEL'ADJUSTED!

Throw Kelnoz in the mix and she may become empress of the three worlds.


well, that would be awesome!
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Tempestfury » Fri May 05, 2017 9:15 am

Who the hell are the Hermionne?
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SFI » Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 am

Tempestfury wrote:Who the hell are the Hermionne?


They were introduced a couple chapters back as a new invading species of goblin who cause some serious trouble on the surface for drow and goblin alike.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Finski » Fri May 05, 2017 9:29 am

Interesting thougth. Ariel will cement his power by a war against invading Hermione's.
A popular way in politics to divert attention away from inner politics to foreign threats. Convenient. ^^;
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Marcellogo » Fri May 05, 2017 10:19 am

And if the Hermiones would turn to be the final Snad'yarune machination?
Think about it, why she was pushing so much toward surface colonization?
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Dalvyserran » Fri May 05, 2017 11:35 am

Marcellogo wrote:And if the Hermiones would turn to be the final Snad'yarune machination?
Think about it, why she was pushing so much toward surface colonization?


She would have no reason to make deals with them. Hermionne kill all elves on sight, and force conquered halme city-state to believe the Hermionne doctrine of all elves being devils from the woods (light elves) or devils from the mists (drow). They attacked Ys ...
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Zarannya » Fri May 05, 2017 12:34 pm

Tempestfury wrote:Who the hell are the Hermionne?


They were introduced here - http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=8533

Kyo'nne described them as a horde of invaders from across the sea - I got the impression they're supposed to be this world's equivalent of viking hordes or crusaders/conquistadors. Her main concern was that they've taken over a lot of halme territory and were more advanced than the usual halmes they deal with, and the drow colonies are mostly civilian settlers who had little fighting experience. She was trying to convince Ariel to go to Quain'tana for help since the Sarghress clan has the best overworld combat experience out of all the clans, if only because they have the Highland Raiders and some relic hunters.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby punzil504 » Fri May 05, 2017 12:56 pm

Look at Ariel
Now look at Vaelia
Now back at Ariel
Now back at Vaelia

Dude on a horse
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SzordrinZaphresz » Fri May 05, 2017 1:29 pm

Oh, Faen's got a PERSONAL beef to settle with these guys, if they're Hermiones. She was locked up in their dungeon, Sharess knows how long, with each day the Hermione king and his court grabbing an elf, drow or surface, to bleed from many small cuts, to fill a bathtub that they would bathe in, to try and gain immortality. Due to her empath powers, Faen felt every waking moment of the elven suffering, until Ariel, Kyonne, and sweet, glorious Chrinde showed up, while the king's castle was staffed with a skeleton crew, the army off elsewhere (probably raping, looting, and burning some halme towns somewhere), and utterly wrought holy vengeance down on their heads.

I personally would love to see Faen going "I! OWE! YOU! PAIN!" on them and their armies. Forever giving them a fear of the "Dark Devils" that will never make them want to wage war upon the drow again.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SFI » Fri May 05, 2017 1:40 pm

SzordrinZaphresz wrote:Oh, Faen's got a PERSONAL beef to settle with these guys, if they're Hermiones. She was locked up in their dungeon, Sharess knows how long, with each day the Hermione king and his court grabbing an elf, drow or surface, to bleed from many small cuts, to fill a bathtub that they would bathe in, to try and gain immortality. Due to her empath powers, Faen felt every waking moment of the elven suffering, until Ariel, Kyonne, and sweet, glorious Chrinde showed up, while the king's castle was staffed with a skeleton crew, the army off elsewhere (probably raping, looting, and burning some halme towns somewhere), and utterly wrought holy vengeance down on their heads.

I personally would love to see Faen going "I! OWE! YOU! PAIN!" on them and their armies. Forever giving them a fear of the "Dark Devils" that will never make them want to wage war upon the drow again.


Those were not Hermoiness tho. Those were a different Goblin-kind.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SerNotSoBraveAlot » Fri May 05, 2017 1:45 pm

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The Hermionne scout has so much potential for a good story arc but as much as I like DT I think they'll miss the opportunity again like last time.

The way I'd do it would go something like this:

Hermionne show up and are revealed to be a detachment of a much larger horde/crusade that's responsible for fucking up the other colonies that went silent, they're no longer superstitious muggles when it comes to elves and their magic and have considerable experience fighting Drow (maybe with the added use of Trolls/Giants).

An ''El Alamo'' esque siege ensues and Ariel and co barely survive by the skin of their teeth and with help from the goblin colonists using faeries like Vaelia did, the Hermionne begrudgingly withdraw because even if they take the colony the losses are getting too high for what is essentially a snowy outpost with no meaningful resources.

Koil'dorath having failed to exterminate the Vals and Sharens in Chel turns up with the intention of essentially bringing back all of the Sarghress that chose to go with Ariel, originally intending to outright challenge her via combat over the issue but is unable to do so due to Ariel being almost mortally injured in the siege so instead arrogantly berates her as weak for having ''almost lost to a bunch of Goblins'' and vows to deal with the problem herself as the ''true leader'' of the Sarghress ignoring all of Ariels and Co's warnings about how well organised the Hermionne are and that basically it's a stupid idea seeing as she doesn't know where they are or have enough men to defeat them alone.

Koil'dorath ignores all of the warnings and pursues the Hermionne who defeat her and her forces soundly, she makes it back battered and licking her wounds with what's left of her forces (she only came with a small detachment, most are still in Chel) expecting Ariel to use this defeat to finish her off and take over the Sarghress as sole leader, however Ariel essentially says something to the effects of ''we have more important shit to worry about than leadership issues right now so let bygones be bygones and focus on regrouping our forces and warning the remaining colonies about the shitstorm heading their way'' in doing so earning respect from Koil'dorath.

The Hermionne's wrongly thinking that Koil'dorath's forces were what remained of the fort's defenders now assume that Machike is basically undefended and return in force, and it's AT THIS POINT that the battered forces of both Ariel and Koil'dorath join together and actually defeat the Hermionne army which rekindles the bonds within the Sarghress Clan and establishes Ariel as a respectable figure worth following and also gives a palpable motive for an alliance between the Val Clans of the Underworld and the Sarghress Clan because there's still a fuck mothering crusader horde intent on eradicating ''witchcraft and elvish devilry'' out there to deal with or something to that effect, it's a handy plot device anyway.

But I have a feeling the Hermionne will just get instantly burned to death by some random kyorl again and that'll be it until they next get beaten the shit out of anti-climatically.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby hiller » Fri May 05, 2017 1:52 pm

Even after all of the crap that she's been through, Vaelia is still such a bright point in this story. Kern, don't you dare have anything happen to her!
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby Marcellogo » Fri May 05, 2017 2:24 pm

SerNotSoBraveAlot wrote:Image

The Hermionne scout has so much potential for a good story arc but as much as I like DT I think they'll miss the opportunity again like last time.

The way I'd do it would go something like this:

Hermionne show up and are revealed to be a detachment of a much larger horde/crusade that's responsible for fucking up the other colonies that went silent, they're no longer superstitious muggles when it comes to elves and their magic and have considerable experience fighting Drow (maybe with the added use of Trolls/Giants).

An ''El Alamo'' esque siege ensues and Ariel and co barely survive by the skin of their teeth and with help from the goblin colonists using faeries like Vaelia did, the Hermionne begrudgingly withdraw because even if they take the colony the losses are getting too high for what is essentially a snowy outpost with no meaningful resources.

Koil'dorath having failed to exterminate the Vals and Sharens in Chel turns up with the intention of essentially bringing back all of the Sarghress that chose to go with Ariel, originally intending to outright challenge her via combat over the issue but is unable to do so due to Ariel being almost mortally injured in the siege so instead arrogantly berates her as weak for having ''almost lost to a bunch of Goblins'' and vows to deal with the problem herself as the ''true leader'' of the Sarghress ignoring all of Ariels and Co's warnings about how well organised the Hermionne are and that basically it's a stupid idea seeing as she doesn't know where they are or have enough men to defeat them alone.

Koil'dorath ignores all of the warnings and pursues the Hermionne who defeat her and her forces soundly, she makes it back battered and licking her wounds with what's left of her forces (she only came with a small detachment, most are still in Chel) expecting Ariel to use this defeat to finish her off and take over the Sarghress as sole leader, however Ariel essentially says something to the effects of ''we have more important shit to worry about than leadership issues right now so let bygones be bygones and focus on regrouping our forces and warning the remaining colonies about the shitstorm heading their way'' in doing so earning respect from Koil'dorath.

The Hermionne's wrongly thinking that Koil'dorath's forces were what remained of the fort's defenders now assume that Machike is basically undefended and return in force, and it's AT THIS POINT that the battered forces of both Ariel and Koil'dorath join together and actually defeat the Hermionne army which rekindles the bonds within the Sarghress Clan and establishes Ariel as a respectable figure worth following and also gives a palpable motive for an alliance between the Val Clans of the Underworld and the Sarghress Clan because there's still a fuck mothering crusader horde intent on eradicating ''witchcraft and elvish devilry'' out there to deal with or something to that effect, it's a handy plot device anyway.

But I have a feeling the Hermionne will just get instantly burned to death by some random kyorl again and that'll be it until they next get beaten the shit out of anti-climatically.

Great plot but the huge amount of Nindrachaal/Alliance NPC listed for this character what will have to do in meantime?
Urges a sub-plot for them also:
Let's say that while both Sarghress leadership pretendant are on surface, anti-Val fraction uprise and take control of the clan's armies and the Alliance have to deal with them: the Sharen sisters set (grundingly) apart their difference and lead the resistence, a great battle ensues, plebeians army is overhelming but without the Sargress own gentry to back them they lack cadres and mana users so they can't cope against Nidra's witchcraft and the peculiar fighting techniques each clan will field.
In the end all hang in the balance when, last to the fight arrive Anahid with Kjorls, Val'dutanvirs and Maeyukirs together w, called by Crys'tel, to separate contenders, in the end it is decided to settle things with a collettive duel between anti-Vals and Clan's champions, when the selected ones face one another, an heart-breaking scene happen, between the ones there is (obviously) Sillice , between the other (also obviously) Kor'maril...
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SFI » Fri May 05, 2017 2:45 pm

SerNotSoBraveAlot, it might work if not for one reason: the portrayal of Kiol does not fit at all with what we've seen, in fact, seems more in line with her mother Suu'be.

1. She does not want to be the Leader of Sarghress, so she wouldn't start spouting 'true leader'-propaganda
and
2. she would not ignore someone warning her 'hey, lots of your people will die if you do this'
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3. Considering Ariel voiced several times a lack of desire to rule and even said that she'd give Kiol the leadership if she asked, I doubt she'd expect Ariel to backstab her.
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Re: Chapter 51 : page 29

Postby SerNotSoBraveAlot » Fri May 05, 2017 3:00 pm

Great plot but the huge amount of Nindrachaal/Alliance NPC listed for this character what will have to do in meantime?
Urges a sub-plot for them also:
Let's say that while both Sarghress leadership pretendant are on surface, anti-Val fraction uprise and take control of the clan's armies and the Alliance have to deal with them: the Sharen sisters set (grundingly) apart their difference and lead the resistence, a great battle ensues, plebeians army is overhelming but without the Sargress own gentry to back them they lack cadres and mana users so they can't cope against Nidra's witchcraft and the peculiar fighting techniques each clan will field.
In the end all hang in the balance when, last to the fight arrive Anahid with Kjorls, Val'dutanvirs and Maeyukirs together w, called by Crys'tel, to separate contenders, in the end it is decided to settle things with a collettive duel between anti-Vals and Clan's champions, when the selected ones face one another, an heart-breaking scene happen, between the ones there is (obviously) Sillice , between the other (also obviously) Kor'maril...


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I was thinking the arc would focus on the Sarghress primarily, maybe a bit at the beginning explaining how or why the Sharen's got away (Snadya schemery seems a believable option) as a kind of opening monologue that set's up why Koil'dorath show's up later in Machike.

As for the Sharen's and the Underworld in general I like your idea. Koil'dorath leaves with most of the Sarghress elites essentially leaving pseudo-pleb militia tier (strength in numbers) retinues with a few high ranking officers to garrison Chel while she heads to Machike to deal with Ariel, the crappy ill-trained masses basically go full mob and head for the Vals which leads to your scenario and kind of leaves the Sarghress on a more even playing field with the other clans because they lose a lot of their plebs whereas before they could just steamroll them.

I don't think they'd settle things with duels though, I don't think either side would accept defeat under those circumstances.
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